[nl10] bad fold?

Submitted by : masterfrywad

POKERSTARS GAME #17214485994: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/05/05 - 05:23:24 (ET)
Table 'Kopff II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: rovi ($7.40 in chips)
Seat 2: RoyalKing87 ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Taliza ($16.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Spider V ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 5: Roy-sChOuA ($8.80 in chips)
Seat 6: 231549 ($12.25 in chips)
Seat 7: NsPike409 ($11.05 in chips)
Seat 8: bluetruth ($10.10 in chips)
Seat 9: ramonbt ($9.80 in chips)
ramonbt: posts small blind $0.05
rovi: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to 231549
RoyalKing87: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Taliza: folds
Spider V: folds
Roy-sChOuA: folds
231549 : raises $0.80 to $1.20
NsPike409: folds
bluetruth: folds
ramonbt: folds
rovi: folds
rovi is sitting out
RoyalKing87: calls $0.80

Flop (Pot : $2.55)

   
rovi leaves the table
RoyalKing87: bets $0.70
231549 : raises $1.30 to $2
tigrou222 joins the table at seat #1
RoyalKing87: raises $1.30 to $3.30
231549 : folds
RoyalKing87 collected $6.25 from pot
RoyalKing87: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $6.55 | Rake $0.30
Board  
Seat 1: rovi (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: RoyalKing87 collected ($6.25)
Seat 3: Taliza folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Spider V folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Roy-sChOuA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 231549 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: NsPike409 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bluetruth (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ramonbt (small blind) folded before Flop

i think raises on later streets are stronger for obvious reasons such as potsize etc..

i do raise more every street and stack off on a drawy flop like this

Ehh he would probably re-raise you preflop with QQ/JJ. I'd probably go ALLLINNN on a drawy board like that
Looks kinda like AQ

I would shove this

I haven't seen many people 4 bet with QQ/JJ at NL10 FR.

think his range can be narrowed down to roughly umm, AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AKhh, i'm not sure what people exactly call this preflop with (should you include AQ/KQ/QJ/KT here? i dont know) but I assume you're either flipping or crushed vs his range, so i can find a fold here (youre goddfamn right that a weak lead + minraise your flopraise indicates lotsa strenght)

yeah.. the minraise if you know hes a donk he probably is peddling a set..

i had a guy minraise my flop bet, and then minraise my flop raise with a set yesterday -_-

im linking this because i feel it is relevant here with a strong overpair and a very drawy board, AND the minraising that is going on.

Submitted by : rockman255

PokerStars Game #17231617614: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/05/05 - 22:03:23 (ET)
Table 'Tarvos II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: natureboy965 ($3.60 in chips)
Seat 2: zdctg ($13 in chips)
Seat 3: letikelly ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 4: ReaPsTA ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: Marc Pistole ($1.30 in chips)
Seat 7: rockman255 ($17.05 in chips)
Seat 8: Dave0785 ($4.20 in chips)
Seat 9: PadBol ($10.45 in chips)
PadBol: posts small blind $0.05
natureboy965: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to rockman255
zdctg: folds
letikelly: folds
ReaPsTA: folds
Marc Pistole: folds
mi_amigo joins the table at seat #5
rockman255 : raises $0.30 to $0.40
Dave0785: calls $0.40
PadBol: calls $0.35
natureboy965: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1.30)

   
PadBol: checks
rockman255 : bets $1.10
Dave0785: folds
PadBol: raises $1.10 to $2.20
rockman255 : raises $3.30 to $5.50
PadBol: raises $3.30 to $8.80
rockman255 : raises $3.30 to $12.10
PadBol: calls $1.25 and is all-in

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $21.40)

   

River (Pot : $21.40)

   

Showdown
PadBol: shows (three of a kind, Nines)
rockman255 : mucks hand
PadBol collected $20.35 from pot

Summary
Total pot $21.40 | Rake $1.05
Board  
Seat 1: natureboy965 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: zdctg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: letikelly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ReaPsTA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Marc Pistole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rockman255 mucked
Seat 8: Dave0785 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: PadBol (small blind) showed and won ($20.35) with three of a kind, Nines