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thundza   United States. May 05 2008 16:10. Posts 2001 | | | |
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royalsu   Canada. May 05 2008 21:20. Posts 3233 | | |
hmm u have 30% equity and you're getting 2:1...and if you're getting his last 40 when u hit then it's profitable for sure. Otherwise you're losing not much.
I'm not omaha expert but shouldn't u take this to war on the flop? Specifically to avoid spots like this.
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thundza   United States. May 05 2008 22:05. Posts 2001 | | |
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I'm not omaha expert but shouldn't u take this to war on the flop? Specifically to avoid spots like this.
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Why get it all in when I know he flopped the nuts? When Q or spade doesn't fall, I fold and save $40. |
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sTrAtO   Mexico. May 05 2008 23:03. Posts 5882 | | |
| | On May 05 2008 21:05 thundza wrote:
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I'm not omaha expert but shouldn't u take this to war on the flop? Specifically to avoid spots like this.
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When Q or spade doesn't fall, I fold and save $40.
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then why are you making this topic if you're already made up your mind... and if a spade comes on turn, you won't get action for sure, unless he's a total tard |
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pinbaLL   Sweden. May 05 2008 23:13. Posts 7243 | | |
if i am villain i am potting the turn w/ any strong draw, JJ/1010, and the nuts to isolate the pot. i also definitely take it to war on the flop vs an aggressive player who has the nuts (we have good equity vs the nuts) or an inferior draw (we have excellent equity vs that) w/ all the dead money in the pot. if you say he has "obvious nuts" then he must really suck, i would call the turn quickly and shove any river that completes our draw or pairs the board. |
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Daut   United States. May 06 2008 10:44. Posts 8955 | | |
thundza you do realize you wont get his money if you hit but if you get it in on the flop AND youre a favorite then you get that money. |
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thundza   United States. May 06 2008 12:19. Posts 2001 | | |
lets say river is 3s. pot is 135. i push for 40. he is getting 4:1 (40 to win 175). does he fold? |
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thundza   United States. May 06 2008 12:21. Posts 2001 | | |
that's why I asked if I have enough implied odds... |
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thundza   United States. May 06 2008 12:37. Posts 2001 | | |
so, whenever I calculate the odds assuming he has at least 89xx, I have at most 0.55 equity or as low as 0.38 equity, mostly centering around 0.45 equity.
Vs JJxx I have at most 0.44 equity, or as low as 0.38.
I believe it is much more likely that he has 89xx.
Is it my goal to always get it in with these equities on the flop, even though they are likely unfavorable to me? |
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Fox   . May 06 2008 14:36. Posts 3110 | | |
and how is this obvious?
do you have history on the villian. Too many people at omaha50 do this with sets. |
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Fox   . May 06 2008 14:42. Posts 3110 | | |
i mean he could have something like top/middle set with mid flush redraw.
i really don't think that you can always put him on 89 is mainly what i'm saying. |
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DaTruf   United States. May 09 2008 22:08. Posts 398 | | |
the point is not "if you miss you save money." what you need to realize, is that by getting it in on this flop YOU ARE MAKING MONEY EVEN IF YOU LOSE THIS HAND. when you are asking people's advice on this hand, given that you dont have alot of history w/ villain, you're basically asking them what they do in your spot. and the answer is that your money needs to go in on this flop in this spot every time. |
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DaTruf   United States. May 09 2008 22:09. Posts 398 | | |
and also i dont think ur equity calculations are right |
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Muhweli   Finland. May 13 2008 16:36. Posts 10663 | | |
Easiest shove on the flop in the world. You have splitredraw+flushdraw+higher straightdraw+runner runner boat draw.
Also, worth noticing that when you get it in on flop, you get two cards. When you call, you get one -> hence you need implied odds which you have very little with the draws you have. |
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