Does NeillyAA have Talent?

Well, by the most recent topics of neilly battling with the Titans, Ket, Raidan, and crushing some mid stake regs, many people arguing if Neilly is a talented poker player or not.

I understand that being a good poker player consist of much discipline, br management, theory, timing, etc. and Neilly obvs lacks some of those.

The question is, Just Poker, cards DOES NEILLY HAVE TALENT?


some arguments:

On May 05 2008 02:11 Ket wrote: i think neilly gets too much hate for reasons other than not paying back loans (which is an acceptable reason for hate). why would you hate on someone and call them retarded because of how they handle their roll? different people have different priorities and values and its not a reason to hate on people who are causing u no harm just cause theirs are different to yours. also you made a comment in observer chat on the table neilly last busted about how you think neilly is stupid for believing hes gonna improve at poker and get good by doing what hes doing, or something to that effect. I believe you're completely wrong in this belief. And i think what a lot of you guys dont realise (or maybe refuse to admit) is that neilly's overall hu game is actually much stronger than you might think or that it may appear. hes probably able to crush low/midstakes hu tables for quite a sick winrate. ofcourse right now he's a very long ways from his 'goal' of being dominant at 5/10nl hu on stars, but still the level he's reached should deserve some credit. he's tough to play against and will crush lots of people who fail to properly handle his ott style, which you probably need to be a hu specialist with a decent level of theoretical understanding to properly do. its a little embarassing for me to say this as frinkx is kind of my friend, but neilly sickraped him. he might have ran above expectation but he didnt run 30 buyins above expectation. a decent 2/4 6max longterm winner who isnt a hu specialist got totally eaten alive by this degen everyone loves to hate on because he epic-failed to make the right adjustments to neilly's game (meaning it isnt easily done), and nobody gave neilly any credit for it.

On May 05 2008 08:54 locoo wrote: hm wtf, from neillys HHs and everything he isnt a talented / good player at all -.- how hard can it be to own a player that stacks offs with lowest pair no kicker no draw ? hit top pair / ez ship, frinkx probably just wanted to outplay someone that can't fold gutshot

Poll: Neilly Has Talent?
(Vote): yes
(Vote): no
(Vote): ban

On a related note, do you think Sam Farha is one of the best at PLO ?

Yes. I think his main strength is being very agressive and very unpredictable. Atleast it looks like that from the hands i see him post, people seems to tilt infinitely against him and he seems willing to put alot of pressure on people which is superimportant in HU.

He cant not have talent when he repeatedly builds midstakes rolls from nothing.

That being said, his talents are wasted because he is the biggest degenerate ever and he cant maintain a roll to save his life.

yeah he does, even though his style is unorthodox / hes making marginal plays preflop especially, he's agressive and fearless(which surely is a good thing).
Think the style he has is able to tilt people quickly. Can't speak from experience as ive never played with him in anything else as fullring/6max though (just from observing his HU games)

I definitely think he has talent if he can run 100 into 10K in a small amount of time but of course his taste of high stakes poker without a proper bankroll is his downfall.

On May 05 2008 09:46 SakiSaki wrote: He cant not have talent when he repeatedly builds midstakes rolls from nothing. That being said, his talents are wasted because he is the biggest degenerate ever and he cant maintain a roll to save his life.

On May 05 2008 09:46 SakiSaki wrote: Yes. I think his main strength is being very agressive and very unpredictable. Atleast it looks like that from the hands i see him post, people seems to tilt infinitely against him and he seems willing to put alot of pressure on people which is superimportant in HU. He cant not have talent when he repeatedly builds midstakes rolls from nothing. That being said, his talents are wasted because he is the biggest degenerate ever and he cant maintain a roll to save his life.

couldn't agree more

Neilly has talent,
but in poker there are a wide range of skills that are needed to be a successful player. Not being able to use one skill effectively hinders your progress as a whole. The majority of people who take poker serously are obviously playing to make money. So, Im assuming Neilly is playing poker to make money and not just for a laugh/fun therefore he is not a successful player. Depends what he wants to achieve with poker I guess but from what I can see, he does have talent playing no limit cash but whats the point if you are not making money. I used to do the same shit when I first started and eventually realized. Just a matter of time with him too and when he does decide to fix up his BR management skills he will move up the limits very easily and make alot of money.

He is in his own little bubble right now.

does neilly have the talent to donk up a roll from 10$ to 10k$ a several times? yes

does neilly have the talent to ever become a pro? lol no

this guy gets way too much attention.

Neilly definitely is gosu.

Yes ofc.
Entertaining one.

is it lets like neilly time? yay neilly!

Neilly used to be really bad back a while back when i almost took his br a few times but I played him the other day he absolutely raped me even though the deck hit him so hard it must have bruised his face. It didn't seem like he was as bad as he used to be and I would probably not sit against him again

well at least not for increasing my monetary status, there are much easier games

I think most of the people talking shit about neilly are those that have struggled in moving up and probably don't have 5 figure rolls and just stuck grinding. They are probably jealous that a 'donk' like neilly can run $100 into 10k repeatedly, and then 'waste' it all by busting at 5/10+. I'm sure they think its unfair he gets to run up a BR fast and then busts it while they are stuck grinding.

Also, obviously most people advise to follow BR management, grind, don't tilt etc and move up fairly slowly while taking the occasional shot. Neilly totally ignores this, so for some reason people insult him.

I have never insulted Neilly for his style (i have insulted how hes played several hands) and while i don't think its optimal or anywhere close to the best way to build a roll, who cares. Its his money and he can do what he wants with it. Assume he can afford to gambooool in this style, hes not running up sick debts IRL, or contemplating suicide everytime he busts, then who cares. If he wants to play like this cool, and i'll enjoy watching. I don't hope he fails, i don't even know him or really care if he wins/loses but its certainly entertaining watching him run nothing into a roll over and over, and personally i think it would be awesome to have THUNDERDOME neilly vs ivey sweat sometime in the near future!!!!

I don't know how many people knew xervean (sp?) but he was the original Neily, and used to run his roll up and play 5/10 and 10/20, and then bust down to his last few hundred, regrind etc. He never really got any forum love since i guess most people didn't realise. FWIW he seems fairly well grounded in life, and now is grinding sngs and seems to have realised that his gamboooling days are past him. If Neilly starts playing more seirously, develops BR management and grinds, good for him. If he wants to continue how hes playing, thats also fine. I personally think people should stfu if they are going to insult him purely for wanting to gamble.

if it's just based on playing cards he may be preety good (i dont know i havnt played him) but if you include BR managment in poker skill then hes terrible, unfortunatley you can't really have one without the other. But people w/ his kind of mentallity can defaintley make it very big very fast, but without the discpline you always risk loosing it all no matter how big you make it

zzzzz another degen donkey thread zzzzz

i dont like neilly but id love to have him prove me wrong about making it in poker since he has shown some sick HEART

exactly what he was looking for, a thread like this -.-

gosu.??