Does NeillyAA have Talent?

from everything i've seen he's terrible but if Ket says hes good he's good

no, he suck.

On May 05 2008 10:18 TwistedEcho wrote: I think most of the people talking shit about neilly are those that have struggled in moving up and probably don't have 5 figure rolls and just stuck grinding. They are probably jealous that a 'donk' like neilly can run $100 into 10k repeatedly, and then 'waste' it all by busting at 5/10+. I'm sure they think its unfair he gets to run up a BR fast and then busts it while they are stuck grinding. Also, obviously most people advise to follow BR management, grind, don't tilt etc and move up fairly slowly while taking the occasional shot. Neilly totally ignores this, so for some reason people insult him. I have never insulted Neilly for his style (i have insulted how hes played several hands) and while i don't think its optimal or anywhere close to the best way to build a roll, who cares. Its his money and he can do what he wants with it. Assume he can afford to gambooool in this style, hes not running up sick debts IRL, or contemplating suicide everytime he busts, then who cares. If he wants to play like this cool, and i'll enjoy watching. I don't hope he fails, i don't even know him or really care if he wins/loses but its certainly entertaining watching him run nothing into a roll over and over, and personally i think it would be awesome to have THUNDERDOME neilly vs ivey sweat sometime in the near future!!!! I don't know how many people knew xervean (sp?) but he was the original Neily, and used to run his roll up and play 5/10 and 10/20, and then bust down to his last few hundred, regrind etc. He never really got any forum love since i guess most people didn't realise. FWIW he seems fairly well grounded in life, and now is grinding sngs and seems to have realised that his gamboooling days are past him. If Neilly starts playing more seirously, develops BR management and grinds, good for him. If he wants to continue how hes playing, thats also fine. I personally think people should stfu if they are going to insult him purely for wanting to gamble.

agree except

"Its his money and he can do what he wants with it"

I thought this was the main source of the friction - the fact that it's NOT his money?

eh, im actually pretty good at hu

i lost 20 buyins, not 30, and he ran way above expectation and got a TON of situational coolers, and yes, i was trying to bluff/outplay him in a lot of hands where i shouldnt have and i tilted towards the end.

does he still have money? i wanna play him again

I THINK THAT HE IS A TALENTED PLAYER HE JUST NEEDS TO WORK ON HIS MONEY MANAGEMENT! HE CAN BUILD HIS BANK ROLL REALLY QUICK BUT DOESN'T KNOW WHEN TO CALL IT QUITS AND STAY UP!!!

On May 05 2008 11:07 DukekillrUNC wrote: I THINK THAT HE IS A TALENTED PLAYER HE JUST NEEDS TO WORK ON HIS MONEY MANAGEMENT! HE CAN BUILD HIS BANK ROLL REALLY QUICK BUT DOESN'T KNOW WHEN TO CALL IT QUITS AND STAY UP!!!

what this guy said

and i feel famous for being in neilly's quote yay!

able to play cards cannot be looked at in a vacuum. Poker Skill is much more and Neilly definitely lacks BR managment, ability to quit when he should, table selection etc.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Neilly, the opposite is true, I think he is way more entertaining than the movies and he never should quit making these sick roller coaster sessions.

Neilly, we love you the way you are. Please don't chage!!!

<3 Neilly.

Seems to me that he is getting better and better and at least has the skill to be a decent midstakes player. Obviously his BR / tilt / table selection skills are totally lacking. But if you only look at the way he plays when he's playing his best, I think he'd fall into the category of a good player. Plus his super aggro fearless style is great for HU.

Most likely he will eventually realize that he needs some BR management and he will have another 100 ---> 10k run and then start grinding 1/2 or 2/4 and move up in a more responsible way.

On May 05 2008 11:40 k2o4 wrote: Seems to me that he is getting better and better and at least has the skill to be a decent midstakes player. Obviously his BR / tilt / table selection skills are totally lacking. But if you only look at the way he plays when he's playing his best, I think he'd fall into the category of a good player. Plus his super aggro fearless style is great for HU. Most likely he will eventually realize that he needs some BR management and he will have another 100 ---> 10k run and then start grinding 1/2 or 2/4 and move up in a more responsible way.

ur a whale!

neilly fightiiiiingg~~!!!

It's impossible to tell if Nielly has "talent" or not because he never has a roll long enough to prove it. Poker skill comes into effect only in the long run and Nielly has never stuck around for the long run. I realize it's something special to run up 100 into 10k in one night, however, it's totally possible that he was just on a huge heater. Maybe he had the skills to get maximum value out of his heater, but the fact remains he had to run good in order to do something like this.

What makes a poker player good is how he handles the downswings, any monkey can win money when the deck hits him in the face, but it takes a true hero to get beat over the head with coolers and not tilt, or chase losses. Unfortunately, Neilly has proven time and time again that he can't handle the downswings because he constantly goes bust. Therefore he's not a good player. Not yet anyway.

I wont comment on any of the HU stuff as i havent watched him play at all except for a few HHs here and there. But his 6m game is really, really bad. He makes far too many spewy bad calls that are just working out for him now and really reinforcing bad habits. At lower tables (100nl down i guess) he can probably win, but IMO he is a good stretch away from being able to win at 200nl+ (6m at least).

he's bad.

him tilting frinkx was to be expected and frinkx played like a moron. doesn't make neilly good.

sure he has definitely improved in the past months, who wouldn't.. he plays a shitload and played HU with much better players than him. it still doesn't make him good or talented at poker because he's still failing at holding to some money and letting his ego out of the way.

I'd have to play him myself in order the make the assessment if he's good or not. Although Ket saying he shows promise/is currently not horrid holds some merit tho.

i wish i had more monies on stars.

agree with MaidenFan, poker skill shows itself when you stick around for the long haul, when you deal with the ugly parts.. running $100 into $10k is impressive, but really worth quite nothing considering his shortcomings in other departments. Neilly is able to do that because he doesn't seem to care. he doesn't have fear which is a huge advantage in the short run.. but most grinders have *some* sense of fear and that is what's keeping them from blowing their whole bankroll in a few hands like Neilly does all the time. Some skill in the actual game? he probably has it.. but poker in 2008 isnt all about making wicked plays, it's meeting many more criteria, of which Neilly hasn't mastered a fraction.

neilly is stu ungar re-incarnated

On May 05 2008 14:58 TalentedTom wrote: neilly is Jesus

there we go

On May 05 2008 10:34 Yugless wrote: from everything i've seen he's terrible but if Ket says hes good he's good

ryan oftentimes outplays the shit out of his opponents headsup

i rarely see people extract value the way he does. he'll win a 5bi pot w/ K9 on a 935 board vs an opponents T9, and continue to do so throughout the match (and vs other opponents).

gogo BR management, and neilly will be a superstar

who is neilly?