Quick 10/20 hand

you can float here because that looks really strong and 3bets with air on dry flops are becoming more and more common nowadays

myth mentioning he floats here implies people give up on turn. GIVE UP. being key words. if myth floats here and they push the turn because you say they will continue their air range then he's stuck with his float and has to fold the turn that hardly sounds logical.

i like a float because i do think people give up the turn, i also like a call with K9 on the flop for the same reason, and i dont think you have to call the turn because you called the flop at all.

I never said you had to call flop because you called turn. I was implying that asking about the hand to begin with with is silly.

You either called to float, in which this is an obvious fold, or you're aren't, in which this is a snap call. The fact that your hand is K9 makes no difference because you're planning to take it away on a future street. McNasty seems to be stuck between "I did this because my hand was K9" and "I did this because I wanted to take it away later". Decide which is which before you call the flop. If you haven't decided whether or not you're calling to float or calling because you think you have the best hand, you shouldn't be calling at all. If you've already made up your mind, then why are you asking the us to begin with? You know the player better than we do. Is the play okay? Um...depends on the player.

Also, a few other things. Would you flat a hand better than a pair of 9s as well? Or would you stick it in? If you don't flat hands better than a pair of 9s, then your flatting/floating range is extremely transparent. Another thing is, when you raised the flop, what did you expect to get called/action from? With the 2 other cards being so low, I don't know what you're expecting to get action from besides complete air. If you expected to get action from complete air, then your decision should be relatively easy because this player is spewing so much in the small blind. I'd be more inclined to give believe this was a decision on a 982 board than a 923 board, as I believe there is a greater spectrum of hands that you'd want to call/call against(JT being a coinflip, T7, JQ, ect.). With the board being what it is though, the decision should either be an easy float or an easy call down. If you haven't decided yet, don't call the flop.

I just don't see the point of raising at all if you don't know where you stand with a fairly good made hand when you do so. What were you going to do if he called you? Bet call the turn? Check turn and call river? Nothing really seems like a good option after you've chosen to make the pot big. Make your decision before you raise.

Ok, I'm rambling now.

I don't think you have to make ur decision before you raise. If opponent is bluff 3-betting flop very frequently, that should be all the information you need to know that both the initial flop raise was correct, and *at least* calling flop when it comes back to you is correct. I think people are making the fallacy of assumming that when you avoid difficult spots (like turn and flop 3 bet decision) you somehow gain value. If you want to say that the flop raise is bad, you have to argue that its because people aren't 3 betting with air very often, not because it makes ur turn decision hard. The turn is a seperate question, all your asking yourself is, "do I have enough equity to call?". Also your turn decision is potentially very difficult, you can't calculate your equity for every turn card on the flop in just a few seconds. An opponent might bluff any overcard as a scare card, but also might only bet overs they hit. I thought the 7c was fairly close vs a tight player because even though they might shut down with complete air, they still might lean toward a shove if they picked up a flush draw. Also K9 isn't a float, you've got TPGK and have plenty of showdown value, and I could easily decide to check behind or minbet turn. Another issue is any reads you can get with timing tells and bet sizing. In this case my opponent shoved for pot fairly quickly, usually a player you assume to be slightly below 5/10 reg level isn't going to be potting with air without some deliberation.

One thing to note it, we should be doing those calculations before making those plays.