Weak tight :(

This guy has been playing preety tight so far - don't know much about him yet. I have been playing relativley tight as well, not sure if he notices this. I have not seen him do much of anything so far I also suspect he's one talbing. First time he 3-bet me - I feel this is almost a fold on the flop since I don't think he's c-betting something like missed black AK, he insta 3-bet and insta c-bet. What do we like here?

Submitted by : TalentedTom

POKERSTARS GAME #17101599916: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/04/30 - 12:21:04 (ET)
Table 'Kokkola' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: JEM87 ($400 in chips)
Seat 2: Causticity ($402 in chips)
Seat 3: TalentedTom ($625.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Tizzle 10 ($512.40 in chips)
Seat 5: bbb95 ($382.80 in chips)
Seat 6: hast07 ($489 in chips)
Tizzle 10: posts small blind $2
bbb95: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to TalentedTom
hast07: folds
JEM87: folds
Causticity: folds
TalentedTom : raises $12 to $16
Tizzle 10: folds
bbb95: raises $32 to $48
TalentedTom : calls $32

Flop (Pot : $98.00)

   
bbb95: bets $60

I think given your description, this looks like a fold

since he's kinda tight and 1 tabling he could get pretty excited with Jx like JKs or AJ

i'd start off here by calling

fueled

On April 30 2008 18:00 [vital]Myth wrote: fueled

interesting point can you further elaboarate?

well you just described one of the few players that i would fold this to.

so fold sir.

definately fold flop because as you said, this is the first time he 3bet you (and your read is that he is tight) so 1010+ or AK should make up his range here. 1010 and AK are the only hands that you beat, and AK with any kind of heart has plenty of outs. Also, you said that you think he is 1 tabling, which would explain his instant action (as JYang said AJ and KJ would be excited to get this in on J high flop BUT do you seriously think he's 3 betting those hands? not saying he doesnt, but given your read probably not). If anything i think he is instantly acting with a monster because (as you said) he is 1 tabling and eager to get the hand in.

edit: i doubt solid players 1 table, therefore perhaps instant action = strength?? (that's just my experience versus weaker players, though)

Given your description of him it seems like an easy fold imo.

Stop leveling yourself. Instacall flop.

On May 02 2008 23:08 Rhaegar wrote: Stop leveling yourself. Instacall flop.

Okay I figured calling was fine and he would give up with a reasonable amount of his holdings since I have position there's a lot of room to manouver here on that note:

He Insta over shoved the turn

Submitted by : TalentedTom

POKERSTARS GAME #17101599916: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/04/30 - 12:21:04 (ET)
Table 'Kokkola' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: JEM87 ($400 in chips)
Seat 2: Causticity ($402 in chips)
Seat 3: TalentedTom ($625.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Tizzle 10 ($512.40 in chips)
Seat 5: bbb95 ($382.80 in chips)
Seat 6: hast07 ($489 in chips)
Tizzle 10: posts small blind $2
bbb95: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to TalentedTom
hast07: folds
JEM87: folds
Causticity: folds
TalentedTom : raises $12 to $16
Tizzle 10: folds
bbb95: raises $32 to $48
TalentedTom : calls $32

Flop (Pot : $98.00)

   
bbb95: bets $60
TalentedTom : calls $60

Turn (Pot : $218.00)

   
bbb95: bets $274.80 and is all-in

I call here, and expect AhKx a lot of the times(he will think you have a small pair, and him having so many outs hearts, overcards etc will def shove, cuz he knows if he checks he will lose the pot).

People that play tight go crazy once they get a hand a lot / overplay it. Don't know much about him but I won't feel too terrible to call this.

I think it's EZ insta-fold on turn, you're not really beating anything and even though he will have AhKx here often, you aren't even crushing that and are 5% vs the rest of his range, no way you can be getting the right odds. Your read on him weighs even more heavily towards fold IMO.

if he had an overpair i think the turn J might slow him down in his allin, so he might not insta shove it. i'd regard instashoving as AhKx, a made flush like KhQh with him fearing you might have the Ah or hoping you have the J and wont fold. He might also have the J hoping you wont fold an overpair, but thats less likely for him to reraise if he's that tight.

since a draw is the only hand we beat, i guess i'd fold and take a note for future reference

results??

i've had mixed results with calling down instant bets. I think with history it's almost always a bluff from a reg who gets caught up in his bluff and just shoves out of frustration. Especially when "scary" turn cards come where he should be reevaluating his hand.

On the flip side I can see vulnerable made hands insta shoving here too... like small flushes or AJ with no hearts. Hmm...but since you said he's tight these hands are less likely.

I don't mind just calling to see what he does this with. It sucks though because AK with one heart still has 14 outs.