I still can't figure this guy out - Page 2

If we can't fold when the drawing portion of his range gets there then we shouldn't be calling the turn to begin with. Shoving would turn your hand into a bluff. But if you're ahead of his turn raising range you should be calling.

The board got worse and our hand is no longer good against the majority of the range we were ahead of so we act accordingly. What's wrong with this? Given a range of 99/draw I don't see why you would play it any other way.

For what it's worth, I'd be check calling any non spade because I feel his range is extremely polarized between 99/air at that point. Though that really depends on how likely he is to be continuing betting on a missed draw.

quit using the 'our hand is underepped' argument, it doesn't really matter if we still only beat a bluff

u guys are check-calling vs Q,K, and A vs a tight range?

On May 02 2008 10:26 NMcNasty wrote: u guys are check-calling vs Q,K, and A vs a tight range?

Vs the range I put him on on the turn, yes. Those cards change very little. Our hand also looks like a mediocre made hand as a strong one would have shoved turn, as well as strong draws, and weak draws would've folded as we're out of position.

Given that our hand appears as it does, and given that the range I have assigned to him being 99/draws, as those are the only hands that make sense to me unless this guy is likely to randomly slowplay sets/overpairs, I am check calling any-non spade river. Unless I know this guy will only check behind missed draws. Which is something I should know by now anyway.

If you are afraid of a Q/K/A, you are only playing your cards. If you are shoving turn, you are only playing your cards. If you check-call any river because you called the turn, you are only playing your cards. This is bad poker.



And I agree that the "our hand is underrepped" is a very weak argument. Because for 1, who cares? I don't care if my hand is underrepped. I care what he has and if I beat that. Being underrepped isn't an excuse to be making bad calls. And for 2) Our hand isn't really underrepped. Besides the call preflop, our hand is exactly what it looks like in this spot. A decent but not strong made hand. I'd say that JJ is pretty much equal to almost any pair in this spot, besides the ability to suck out on sets and fewer overcards.

Our hand is exactly how it is represented.