QQ 5bet 190bb deep

wat

opposed to flat calling, which is what im advocating.

and raising big is by far the worst option.

I think the small 5bet is best here.

Im not a huge fan of flatting cuz ur going to have to fold to cbets on A and K high flops and I'm not too comfortable stacking off on rag flops.

You HAVE to fold ? I don't get how I have to fold anything to a cbet with pos.

his range is too strong for you to be calling on those types of flops

even if you figure to be ahead 40ish% of the time its still a bad call since he can bluff the turn or draw out on you.

i'd rather just 5-bet bigger, no one is ever going to believe that you're 5 bet bluffing/fodling to shove, so making it smaller just looks stronger than you want to look imo

On April 27 2008 10:07 SakiSaki wrote: How so?

well more than contradictory its just dumb since he has been running over the table so bad he thinks his QQ could be good that deep yet you mention it as a bluff like KK would ever fold.

ive never even heard of a 6bet shove before
wtf?

On April 28 2008 23:58 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2008 10:07 SakiSaki wrote: How so? well more than contradictory its just dumb since he has been running over the table so bad he thinks his QQ could be good that deep yet you mention it as a bluff like KK would ever fold.

I think what he means is it's a good SPOT for a 5bet bluff, as in with other random cards, not that turning QQ into a bluff is good.

On April 28 2008 23:59 n0rthf4ce wrote: ive never even heard of a 6bet shove before wtf?

nit!

On April 28 2008 22:45 MezmerizePLZ wrote: i'd rather just 5-bet bigger, no one is ever going to believe that you're 5 bet bluffing/fodling to shove, so making it smaller just looks stronger than you want to look imo

holler

On April 28 2008 23:58 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2008 10:07 SakiSaki wrote: How so? well more than contradictory its just dumb since he has been running over the table so bad he thinks his QQ could be good that deep yet you mention it as a bluff like KK would ever fold.

I mention its good as a bluff because I think he will fold out almost everything but AA/KK. Thats also why its bad to do this with QQ for value.


??????

Im not saying its good to bluff with QQ if that wasnt totally completely dumbnuts obvious...

ic what u meant now.

On April 27 2008 12:21 PoorUser wrote: wat

edit of the year

I usually call here I guess but after reading Mez's words Im sold on that

yeah i thought that edit got it across better

Huh? If your claiming that your 5 betting/folding to shove as a bluff line then I can honestly say that I cannot comment on this hand caz thats something I dont have in my game lol... I think a huge 5 bet or a shove does the trick better.

Submitted by : ToT)MidiaN(

Full Tilt Poker Game #6184422863: Table Snow Flat (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:59:18 ET - 2008/04/26
Seat 1: WhoIsThisGuy ($1,736.30)
Seat 2: Shipitoverhere ($1,000)
Seat 3: ToTMidiaN ($1,709.25)
Seat 4: drainbamaged82 ($1,788)
Seat 5: Storkdelamork ($1,000)
Seat 6: Liquid_Club ($166.40)
Shipitoverhere posts the small blind of $5
ToTMidiaN posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
Dealt to ToTMidiaN
drainbamaged82 folds
Storkdelamork folds
Liquid_Club folds
WhoIsThisGuy raises to $30
Shipitoverhere adds $5
Shipitoverhere folds
drainbamaged82 stands up
ToTMidiaN raises to $105
WhoIsThisGuy has 15 seconds left to act
WhoIsThisGuy raises to $255
ToTMidiaN has 15 seconds left to act
ToTMidiaN raises to $455
WhoIsThisGuy has 15 seconds left to act
WhoIsThisGuy folds
Uncalled bet of $200 returned to ToTMidiaN
oldpokerwizard sits down
ToTMidiaN shows Seven Five high
ToTMidiaN wins the pot ($515)
oldpokerwizard adds $400

Summary
Total pot $515 | Rake $0
Seat 1: WhoIsThisGuy (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Shipitoverhere (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: ToTMidiaN (big blind) collected ($515)
Seat 4: drainbamaged82 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Storkdelamork didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Liquid_Club didn't bet (folded)

lol jesus christ.... I love it in a real sick way.

You're my new hero btw

btw that's the same table as where i 5bet with QQ vs storkdelamork in the opening post if that changes anything about this hand