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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 27 2008 08:03. Posts 3628 | | |
Submitted by : ToT)MidiaN(
FullTiltPoker Game #6195879651: Table Jackie (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:24:31 ET - 2008/04/27
Seat 1: Storkdelamork ($1,893)
Seat 2: ToTMidiaN ($3,839)
Seat 3: yangnified ($1,097)
Seat 4: giongler346 ($1,078)
Seat 5: Shipitoverhere ($1,015)
Seat 6: spexel1 ($1,350)
yangnified posts the small blind of $5
giongler346 posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #2
Holecards Dealt to ToTMidiaN 
Shipitoverhere folds
spexel1 folds
Storkdelamork raises to $35
ToTMidiaN raises to $120
yangnified folds
giongler346 folds
Storkdelamork has 15 seconds left to act
Storkdelamork raises to $340
ToTMidiaN has 15 seconds left to act
ToTMidiaN raises to $625
Villain is 22/14/1.6 and generally straightforward. I haven't seen him do anything out of line, but I'm playing 28/25/7, have 3bet a ton at the table and 5bet some also, although not with this villain as he has just folded to all my 3bets. I'm basically running the entire table. I have 3bet him the last 3 times he has opened and think he might be getting a little annoyed and thus don't really mind getting it all in, but do I 5bet small (how much, and can I do it small as a bluff ever?)/call shove now or flat and get it in on a good flop? Also it's possible this guy just never ever gets out of line no matter what I do to him and getting it in is spew, what does anyone else with experience of playing with this villain think? |
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| I never worry about action, only inaction | Last edit: 27/04/2008 08:09 |
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SakiSaki   Sweden. Apr 27 2008 08:10. Posts 7983 | | |
I really think 5-betting here is a spew. I highly doubt villian will get it in with a wide range enough to make this profitable,even if you have been running over the table. I think it would be kinda sick as a bluff though.
I probably flat the 4-bet and play a pot in position here. |
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iakim322   United States. Apr 27 2008 08:38. Posts 263 | | |
Stork = generally tight. Doubt his 4 bet is just due to being annoyed at your 3bets. 4 bet oop like this from him is almost always the nuts |
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PoorUser   United States. Apr 27 2008 09:42. Posts 5612 | | |
big 5b would be nice. i dont mind flatting too much either in pos but still prefer 5b since still under 200 bbs |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 27 2008 09:52. Posts 3628 | | |
why would you like to make the 5bet big? if we make it any bigger than we did we can never bluff as we're committing ourselves? |
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Baal   . Apr 27 2008 09:53. Posts 17614 | | |
| | On April 27 2008 08:10 SakiSaki wrote:
I really think 5-betting here is a spew. I highly doubt villian will get it in with a wide range enough to make this profitable,even if you have been running over the table. I think it would be kinda sick as a bluff though.
I probably flat the 4-bet and play a pot in position here. |
What are you talking about? you say its a spew and then say it would be a sick bluff.. its totally contradictory. |
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SakiSaki   Sweden. Apr 27 2008 10:07. Posts 7983 | | | |
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PoorUser   United States. Apr 27 2008 10:20. Posts 5612 | | |
i think its better when your running the table to be alleggedly committing yourself with a wide range rather '5b bluff' a wide range :| . plus if hes tight its unlikely hes reshoving as a bluff but its possible he'll stick like TT/JJ/AK/AQs in a lot easier |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 27 2008 11:23. Posts 3628 | | |
i don't really get your logic ;/
i dont think he has like TT/JJ/AQs very often at all. i think his range is very polarised most of the time between between bluffs and AK/QQ+ and i want him to be able to 6bet shove his bluffs, which he cant really do if i make it whatever more |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. Apr 27 2008 11:25. Posts 2373 | | |
I rarely disagree with you, but your logic here is too much level-driven. I try not to get into those leveling games much anymore, as its the easiest way to lose a lot.
GT-optimal play says to flat.
Edit: This reply is to PoorUser if its not obvious. |
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| One very suspicious player | Last edit: 27/04/2008 11:27 |
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a small raise gets his range of air to play correctly |
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PoorUser   United States. Apr 27 2008 12:21. Posts 5612 | | | |
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| Moneys gotta go in here | Last edit: 27/04/2008 12:22 |
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opposed to flat calling, which is what im advocating. |
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and raising big is by far the worst option. |
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NMcNasty   United States. Apr 27 2008 16:04. Posts 442 | | |
I think the small 5bet is best here.
Im not a huge fan of flatting cuz ur going to have to fold to cbets on A and K high flops and I'm not too comfortable stacking off on rag flops. |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. Apr 28 2008 20:39. Posts 2373 | | |
You HAVE to fold ? I don't get how I have to fold anything to a cbet with pos. |
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| One very suspicious player | Last edit: 28/04/2008 20:40 |
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NMcNasty   United States. Apr 28 2008 21:57. Posts 442 | | |
his range is too strong for you to be calling on those types of flops
even if you figure to be ahead 40ish% of the time its still a bad call since he can bluff the turn or draw out on you. |
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MezmerizePLZ   United States. Apr 28 2008 22:45. Posts 1725 | | |
i'd rather just 5-bet bigger, no one is ever going to believe that you're 5 bet bluffing/fodling to shove, so making it smaller just looks stronger than you want to look imo |
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Baal   . Apr 28 2008 23:58. Posts 17614 | | |
| | On April 27 2008 10:07 SakiSaki wrote:
How so? |
well more than contradictory its just dumb since he has been running over the table so bad he thinks his QQ could be good that deep yet you mention it as a bluff like KK would ever fold. |
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n0rthf4ce   United States. Apr 28 2008 23:59. Posts 6267 | | |
ive never even heard of a 6bet shove before
wtf? |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 29 2008 05:09. Posts 3628 | | |
| | On April 28 2008 23:58 Baal wrote:
well more than contradictory its just dumb since he has been running over the table so bad he thinks his QQ could be good that deep yet you mention it as a bluff like KK would ever fold.
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I think what he means is it's a good SPOT for a 5bet bluff, as in with other random cards, not that turning QQ into a bluff is good.
| | On April 28 2008 23:59 n0rthf4ce wrote:
ive never even heard of a 6bet shove before
wtf? |
nit! |
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PoorUser   United States. Apr 29 2008 07:10. Posts 5612 | | |
| | On April 28 2008 22:45 MezmerizePLZ wrote:
i'd rather just 5-bet bigger, no one is ever going to believe that you're 5 bet bluffing/fodling to shove, so making it smaller just looks stronger than you want to look imo |
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SakiSaki   Sweden. Apr 29 2008 09:44. Posts 7983 | | |
| | On April 28 2008 23:58 Baal wrote:
well more than contradictory its just dumb since he has been running over the table so bad he thinks his QQ could be good that deep yet you mention it as a bluff like KK would ever fold.
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I mention its good as a bluff because I think he will fold out almost everything but AA/KK. Thats also why its bad to do this with QQ for value.
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SakiSaki   Sweden. Apr 29 2008 09:45. Posts 7983 | | |
Im not saying its good to bluff with QQ if that wasnt totally completely dumbnuts obvious... |
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Baal   . Apr 29 2008 11:09. Posts 17614 | | | |
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pinbaLL   Sweden. Apr 29 2008 13:05. Posts 6278 | | |
| | On April 27 2008 12:21 PoorUser wrote:
wat |
edit of the year
I usually call here I guess but after reading Mez's words Im sold on that |
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PoorUser   United States. Apr 29 2008 13:55. Posts 5612 | | |
yeah i thought that edit got it across better |
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Apr 29 2008 19:34. Posts 4416 | | |
Huh? If your claiming that your 5 betting/folding to shove as a bluff line then I can honestly say that I cannot comment on this hand caz thats something I dont have in my game lol... I think a huge 5 bet or a shove does the trick better. |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 30 2008 04:14. Posts 3628 | | | |
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Apr 30 2008 07:39. Posts 4416 | | |
lol jesus christ.... I love it in a real sick way.
You're my new hero btw |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 30 2008 07:59. Posts 3628 | | |
btw that's the same table as where i 5bet with QQ vs storkdelamork in the opening post if that changes anything about this hand |
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