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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 12:23. Posts 5070 | | |
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Ket was watching this hand as I played it and said it was a "sick value bet" whereas I thought it was quite standard.
Villain is 20/15 and I've won almost every pot i've played vs him.
It's one of those spots where i think he's almost never checking better to me, but not really c/cing with anything worse.
So who vbets and who doesn't ? |
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DooMeR   United States. Apr 23 2008 12:40. Posts 8564 | | |
against a decent player, probably not |
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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 23 2008 13:29. Posts 34312 | | |
since there is no draw you couldnt have since u called turn and u didnt move in then as a bluff i dont think he is trying to induce a FD to bet and he takes you to value town with TT+ Jx on the river imo, ithink there is value here from any PP 7x, i bet. |
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FrinkX   United States. Apr 23 2008 14:24. Posts 7562 | | | |
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[vital]Myth   United States. Apr 23 2008 14:38. Posts 12159 | | | |
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Skoal   Canada. Apr 23 2008 15:35. Posts 460 | | |
the answer to your question lies in another question
do you ever float that turn with a hand you're bluffing with on the river |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 15:45. Posts 5070 | | |
rarely to never and yea i doubt he thinks i do unless he thinks im a tard (i havent played with him much before and have been splashing around tons in this session so far), i feel i have have been running him over. just because i almost never have air is why i was like i almost never see him c/cing and at the same time i almost never see him checking TT+ either as he would obv just go 3 streets of value. |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 15:46. Posts 5070 | | |
these hands happened some time after this one (like 20 minutes after maybe):
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just to give some kind of indication of the fact that i was def getting to him and knew he was gonna do something dumb sooner or later |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 15:47. Posts 5070 | | | |
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If you feel he never checks with a hand that beats you and all hands that check you beat, even if his range is made up mostly of air, bet. Do it enough and he'll start calling you lighter.
Plus, nobody folds boats. |
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[vital]Myth   United States. Apr 23 2008 16:26. Posts 12159 | | |
| | On April 23 2008 14:35 Skoal wrote:
the answer to your question lies in another question
do you ever float that turn with a hand you're bluffing with on the river |
eh, if opponent is retarded spewmonkey then does this even matter?
opp is prob retarded spewmonkey anyway. i think this is a super standard vbet, esp after seeing the other 2 hands you posted |
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NMcNasty   United States. Apr 23 2008 17:00. Posts 2041 | | |
I think check is standard but I like the bet here.
vs good opposition i think its usually bad |
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PoorUser   United States. Apr 23 2008 17:28. Posts 7472 | | |
probably check since your never bluffing
hes a dumb hu sng player though so hes probably calling really thin so maybe vs him you should bet anyways |
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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 23 2008 18:13. Posts 34312 | | |
and dont u play like 35/26 and are ridiculously aggro? i think u can easily get away with a vbet here |
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Apr 23 2008 19:57. Posts 7292 | | |
Meh, very dependent on history. I really have to know I'm tilting the shit out of someone to make a value bet here. |
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MuckingUrMom   United States. Apr 23 2008 21:24. Posts 48 | | |
You're gonna get check-raised a decent amount i think which is another problem. |
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some intresting replys in this thread. |
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Twisted   Netherlands. Apr 24 2008 00:41. Posts 10422 | | |
Totally standard to valuebet here imo.
He might even look you up with A-high. I don't think it's sick at all, totally standard. |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 24 2008 05:29. Posts 5070 | | |
| | On April 23 2008 20:24 MuckingUrMom wrote:
You're gonna get check-raised a decent amount i think which is another problem. |
By what? who ever check raises here? Does he really expect me to even bet the river often? If he had like TT+ he would surely just go for 3barrels of value cause he'd be scared I check behind a pocket pair 7x or pocket below below 7? And lots of people even say they check back 88 or 99 here so I don't see why he would ever c/r for value here and c/r as a bluff seems dumb so??? |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 24 2008 05:31. Posts 5070 | | |
| | On April 23 2008 15:26 [vital]Myth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2008 14:35 Skoal wrote:
the answer to your question lies in another question
do you ever float that turn with a hand you're bluffing with on the river |
eh, if opponent is retarded spewmonkey then does this even matter?
opp is prob retarded spewmonkey anyway. i think this is a super standard vbet, esp after seeing the other 2 hands you posted
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Yea those hands were like 20 minutes later though so can't totally base this hand on those, but it does show that I was getting to him and knew he was gonna break and fuck up at some point |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 24 2008 05:34. Posts 5070 | | |
| | On April 23 2008 15:26 [vital]Myth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2008 14:35 Skoal wrote:
the answer to your question lies in another question
do you ever float that turn with a hand you're bluffing with on the river |
eh, if opponent is retarded spewmonkey then does this even matter?
opp is prob retarded spewmonkey anyway. i think this is a super standard vbet, esp after seeing the other 2 hands you posted
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Judging by his stats he's not a retarded spewmonkey, he was like 20/15/2 and was almost letting me run over him for the first hour of the session. |
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Fayth   Canada. Apr 24 2008 11:45. Posts 10085 | | |
HU I would always bet here obv, but in a ring game vs an UTG raiser, I'm not sure.... t_t |
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Fayth   Canada. Apr 24 2008 11:45. Posts 10085 | | |
he might check raise you all in with a loose utg raise with 34s ! |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2008 14:56. Posts 2586 | | |
100% vbet. Im not sure if we should bet the worst hands in our range as a bluff (floated AK/AQ) or the 7x as a split-bluff though. |
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Rhaegar   Bulgaria. Apr 26 2008 15:00. Posts 2586 | | |
And its obv a small bet (like 1/2 pot) and we obv snap call shove.
Edit: Hmm, after some thinking about it, it really depends on our hand range here. In some cases we probably just check it down happily. |
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Yugless   United States. Apr 26 2008 20:31. Posts 7174 | | |
i wouldn't over think it, we almost always have the best hand so we should bet |
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acdawg712   United States. Apr 26 2008 20:47. Posts 2639 | | |
ooooooooooh is actually a personal friend of mine. He used to be very lag, but recently tightened up his game, keeping pots small oop. I don't want to say too much about him but i'll can reasonably say that he will call you with a lot here. |
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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 27 2008 08:45. Posts 34312 | | | |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 27 2008 08:49. Posts 5070 | | |
I bet like 323 and he folded after thinking for like 5-10 seconds. Later he said he had AK and was clearly thinking about calling |
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Twisted   Netherlands. Apr 28 2008 02:37. Posts 10422 | | |
| | On April 23 2008 23:41 Twisted wrote:
Totally standard to valuebet here imo.
He might even look you up with A-high. I don't think it's sick at all, totally standard. |
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