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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 11:23. Posts 3471

Submitted by : ToT)MidiaN(

PokerStars Game #16939363317: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/04/23 - 14:09:32 (ET)
Table 'Ascanios' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Pacuno ($1052 in chips)
Seat 2: ooooooooooh ($1189.50 in chips)
Seat 3: L@ndy ($516 in chips)
Seat 4: Hesselgren ($985 in chips)
Seat 5: ToTMidiaN ($1218.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Killer_ooooo ($1569 in chips)
Killer_ooooo: posts small blind $5
Pacuno: posts big blind $10

Holecards
Dealt to ToTMidiaN 9h9s
ooooooooooh: raises $20 to $30
L@ndy: folds
Hesselgren: folds
ToTMidiaN : calls $30
Killer_ooooo: folds
Pacuno: folds

Flop (Pot : $75.00)

   7h3h3s
ooooooooooh: bets $60
ToTMidiaN : calls $60

Turn (Pot : $195.00)

   7h3h3s3d
ooooooooooh: bets $145
ToTMidiaN : calls $145

River (Pot : $485.00)

   7h3h3s3dJd
ooooooooooh: checks
ToTMidiaN



Ket was watching this hand as I played it and said it was a "sick value bet" whereas I thought it was quite standard.
Villain is 20/15 and I've won almost every pot i've played vs him.
It's one of those spots where i think he's almost never checking better to me, but not really c/cing with anything worse.
So who vbets and who doesn't ?

I never worry about action, only inaction 

DooMeR   United States. Apr 23 2008 11:40. Posts 5730

against a decent player, probably not

I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance, by running away from the scene of an accident. 

Baal   . Apr 23 2008 12:29. Posts 16263

since there is no draw you couldnt have since u called turn and u didnt move in then as a bluff i dont think he is trying to induce a FD to bet and he takes you to value town with TT+ Jx on the river imo, ithink there is value here from any PP 7x, i bet.

DCal Zone: DIE YOU LIQUID POKER CLOWNS 

Nuros   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 12:33. Posts 662

i vbet


FrinkX   United States. Apr 23 2008 13:24. Posts 5118

definetely value bet

Rhinowned :( 

[vital]Myth    United States. Apr 23 2008 13:38. Posts 9185

minbet call raise

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

Skoal   Canada. Apr 23 2008 14:35. Posts 369

the answer to your question lies in another question

do you ever float that turn with a hand you're bluffing with on the river

LOvEDoM: inggolr many kill plz 

ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 14:45. Posts 3471

rarely to never and yea i doubt he thinks i do unless he thinks im a tard (i havent played with him much before and have been splashing around tons in this session so far), i feel i have have been running him over. just because i almost never have air is why i was like i almost never see him c/cing and at the same time i almost never see him checking TT+ either as he would obv just go 3 streets of value.

I never worry about action, only inaction 

ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 14:46. Posts 3471

these hands happened some time after this one (like 20 minutes after maybe):

Submitted by : ToT)MidiaN(

PokerStars Game #16939855548: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/04/23 - 14:32:40 (ET)
Table 'Ascanios' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Pacuno ($1017 in chips)
Seat 2: ooooooooooh ($1000 in chips)
Seat 3: bph07 ($397 in chips)
Seat 4: Hesselgren ($1000 in chips)
Seat 5: ToTMidiaN ($2620.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Killer_ooooo ($1621 in chips)
bph07: posts small blind $5
Hesselgren: posts big blind $10

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to ToTMidiaN AhQc
ToTMidiaN : raises $25 to $35
Killer_ooooo: folds
Pacuno: folds
ooooooooooh: raises $85 to $120
bph07: folds
Hesselgren: folds
ToTMidiaN : raises $150 to $270
ooooooooooh: raises $730 to $1000 and is all-in
ToTMidiaN : calls $730

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2,015.00)

   9h3d5h

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $2,015.00)

   9h3d5hTs

River (Pot : $2,015.00)

   9h3d5hTs3s

Showdown
ToTMidiaN : shows AhQc (a pair of Threes)
ooooooooooh: shows AdTd (two pair, Tens and Threes)
ooooooooooh collected $2012 from pot

Summary
Total pot $2015 | Rake $3
Board  9h3d5hTs3s
Seat 1: Pacuno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ooooooooooh (button) showed AdTd and won ($2012) with two pair, Tens and Threes
Seat 3: bph07 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Hesselgren (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: ToTMidiaN showed AhQc and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: Killer_ooooo folded before Flop (didn't bet)



just to give some kind of indication of the fact that i was def getting to him and knew he was gonna do something dumb sooner or later

I never worry about action, only inaction 

ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 14:47. Posts 3471

Submitted by : ToT)MidiaN(

PokerStars Game #16939826580: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/04/23 - 14:31:16 (ET)
Table 'Ascanios' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pacuno ($1022 in chips)
Seat 2: ooooooooooh ($1010 in chips)
Seat 4: Hesselgren ($955 in chips)
Seat 5: ToTMidiaN ($1607.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Killer_ooooo ($1621 in chips)
Pacuno: posts small blind $5
ooooooooooh: posts big blind $10
bph07: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to ToTMidiaN 9s9h
Hesselgren: folds
ToTMidiaN : raises $25 to $35
Killer_ooooo: folds
Pacuno: folds
ooooooooooh: raises $85 to $120
ToTMidiaN : calls $85

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $245.00)

   4h8d8s
ooooooooooh: bets $170
ToTMidiaN : raises $243 to $413
ooooooooooh: raises $477 to $890 and is all-in
ToTMidiaN : calls $477

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $2,025.00)

   4h8d8s7d

River (Pot : $2,025.00)

   4h8d8s7d7h

Showdown
ooooooooooh: shows QdAh (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
ToTMidiaN : shows 9s9h (two pair, Nines and Eights)
ToTMidiaN collected $2023 from pot

Summary
Total pot $2025 | Rake $2
Board  4h8d8s7d7h
Seat 1: Pacuno (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ooooooooooh (big blind) showed QdAh and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 4: Hesselgren folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ToTMidiaN showed 9s9h and won ($2023) with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 6: Killer_ooooo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I never worry about action, only inaction 

FrEaK[S.sIR]    Canada. Apr 23 2008 14:48. Posts 1317

If you feel he never checks with a hand that beats you and all hands that check you beat, even if his range is made up mostly of air, bet. Do it enough and he'll start calling you lighter.

Plus, nobody folds boats.


[vital]Myth    United States. Apr 23 2008 15:26. Posts 9185


  On April 23 2008 14:35 Skoal wrote:
the answer to your question lies in another question

do you ever float that turn with a hand you're bluffing with on the river

eh, if opponent is retarded spewmonkey then does this even matter?

opp is prob retarded spewmonkey anyway. i think this is a super standard vbet, esp after seeing the other 2 hands you posted

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

NMcNasty    United States. Apr 23 2008 16:00. Posts 397

I think check is standard but I like the bet here.

vs good opposition i think its usually bad

asdfasdf 

PoorUser    United States. Apr 23 2008 16:28. Posts 5362

probably check since your never bluffing

hes a dumb hu sng player though so hes probably calling really thin so maybe vs him you should bet anyways

Moneys gotta go in here 

Baal   . Apr 23 2008 17:13. Posts 16263

and dont u play like 35/26 and are ridiculously aggro? i think u can easily get away with a vbet here

DCal Zone: DIE YOU LIQUID POKER CLOWNS 

JonnyCosMo   United States. Apr 23 2008 18:57. Posts 4155

Meh, very dependent on history. I really have to know I'm tilting the shit out of someone to make a value bet here.

Pot! Pot! Shove! 

MuckingUrMom   United States. Apr 23 2008 20:24. Posts 47

You're gonna get check-raised a decent amount i think which is another problem.


casinocasino   Canada. Apr 23 2008 22:00. Posts 1569

some intresting replys in this thread.


Twisted    Netherlands. Apr 23 2008 23:41. Posts 6290

Totally standard to valuebet here imo.

He might even look you up with A-high. I don't think it's sick at all, totally standard.


ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 24 2008 04:29. Posts 3471


  On April 23 2008 20:24 MuckingUrMom wrote:
You're gonna get check-raised a decent amount i think which is another problem.



By what? who ever check raises here? Does he really expect me to even bet the river often? If he had like TT+ he would surely just go for 3barrels of value cause he'd be scared I check behind a pocket pair 7x or pocket below below 7? And lots of people even say they check back 88 or 99 here so I don't see why he would ever c/r for value here and c/r as a bluff seems dumb so???

I never worry about action, only inaction 

ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 24 2008 04:31. Posts 3471


  On April 23 2008 15:26 [vital]Myth wrote:
Show nested quote +

eh, if opponent is retarded spewmonkey then does this even matter?

opp is prob retarded spewmonkey anyway. i think this is a super standard vbet, esp after seeing the other 2 hands you posted


Yea those hands were like 20 minutes later though so can't totally base this hand on those, but it does show that I was getting to him and knew he was gonna break and fuck up at some point

I never worry about action, only inactionLast edit: 24/04/2008 04:31

ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 24 2008 04:34. Posts 3471


  On April 23 2008 15:26 [vital]Myth wrote:
Show nested quote +

eh, if opponent is retarded spewmonkey then does this even matter?

opp is prob retarded spewmonkey anyway. i think this is a super standard vbet, esp after seeing the other 2 hands you posted


Judging by his stats he's not a retarded spewmonkey, he was like 20/15/2 and was almost letting me run over him for the first hour of the session.

I never worry about action, only inaction 

Fayth   Canada. Apr 24 2008 10:45. Posts 6506

HU I would always bet here obv, but in a ring game vs an UTG raiser, I'm not sure.... t_t

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

Fayth   Canada. Apr 24 2008 10:45. Posts 6506

he might check raise you all in with a loose utg raise with 34s !

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

Rhaegar    Bulgaria. Apr 26 2008 13:56. Posts 2291

100% vbet. Im not sure if we should bet the worst hands in our range as a bluff (floated AK/AQ) or the 7x as a split-bluff though.

One very suspicious player 

Rhaegar    Bulgaria. Apr 26 2008 14:00. Posts 2291

And its obv a small bet (like 1/2 pot) and we obv snap call shove.

Edit: Hmm, after some thinking about it, it really depends on our hand range here. In some cases we probably just check it down happily.

One very suspicious playerLast edit: 26/04/2008 15:24

Yugless    United States. Apr 26 2008 19:31. Posts 6128

i wouldn't over think it, we almost always have the best hand so we should bet

i heard yugless plays 100/70/10 and has a 666ptbb/100 w/r - Ket 

acdawg712   United States. Apr 26 2008 19:47. Posts 1333

ooooooooooh is actually a personal friend of mine. He used to be very lag, but recently tightened up his game, keeping pots small oop. I don't want to say too much about him but i'll can reasonably say that he will call you with a lot here.

I kissed a girl and I liked it, the taste of her cherry chapstick.Last edit: 26/04/2008 19:47

Baal   . Apr 27 2008 07:45. Posts 16263

results?

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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 27 2008 07:49. Posts 3471

I bet like 323 and he folded after thinking for like 5-10 seconds. Later he said he had AK and was clearly thinking about calling

I never worry about action, only inaction 

Twisted    Netherlands. Apr 28 2008 01:37. Posts 6290