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ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 12:23. Posts 5070

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Ket was watching this hand as I played it and said it was a "sick value bet" whereas I thought it was quite standard.
Villain is 20/15 and I've won almost every pot i've played vs him.
It's one of those spots where i think he's almost never checking better to me, but not really c/cing with anything worse.
So who vbets and who doesn't ?

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DooMeR   United States. Apr 23 2008 12:40. Posts 8564

against a decent player, probably not

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 23 2008 13:29. Posts 34312

since there is no draw you couldnt have since u called turn and u didnt move in then as a bluff i dont think he is trying to induce a FD to bet and he takes you to value town with TT+ Jx on the river imo, ithink there is value here from any PP 7x, i bet.

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Nuros   United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 13:33. Posts 860

i vbet


FrinkX   United States. Apr 23 2008 14:24. Posts 7562

definetely value bet

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[vital]Myth    United States. Apr 23 2008 14:38. Posts 12159

minbet call raise

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Skoal   Canada. Apr 23 2008 15:35. Posts 460

the answer to your question lies in another question

do you ever float that turn with a hand you're bluffing with on the river


ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 15:45. Posts 5070

rarely to never and yea i doubt he thinks i do unless he thinks im a tard (i havent played with him much before and have been splashing around tons in this session so far), i feel i have have been running him over. just because i almost never have air is why i was like i almost never see him c/cing and at the same time i almost never see him checking TT+ either as he would obv just go 3 streets of value.

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ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 15:46. Posts 5070

these hands happened some time after this one (like 20 minutes after maybe):

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just to give some kind of indication of the fact that i was def getting to him and knew he was gonna do something dumb sooner or later

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ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Apr 23 2008 15:47. Posts 5070

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FrEaK[S.sIR]   Canada. Apr 23 2008 15:48. Posts 1848

If you feel he never checks with a hand that beats you and all hands that check you beat, even if his range is made up mostly of air, bet. Do it enough and he'll start calling you lighter.

Plus, nobody folds boats.


[vital]Myth    United States. Apr 23 2008 16:26. Posts 12159


  On April 23 2008 14:35 Skoal wrote:
the answer to your question lies in another question

do you ever float that turn with a hand you're bluffing with on the river

eh, if opponent is retarded spewmonkey then does this even matter?

opp is prob retarded spewmonkey anyway. i think this is a super standard vbet, esp after seeing the other 2 hands you posted

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NMcNasty    United States. Apr 23 2008 17:00. Posts 2041

I think check is standard but I like the bet here.

vs good opposition i think its usually bad


PoorUser    United States. Apr 23 2008 17:28. Posts 7472

probably check since your never bluffing

hes a dumb hu sng player though so hes probably calling really thin so maybe vs him you should bet anyways

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 23 2008 18:13. Posts 34312

and dont u play like 35/26 and are ridiculously aggro? i think u can easily get away with a vbet here

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Apr 23 2008 19:57. Posts 7292

Meh, very dependent on history. I really have to know I'm tilting the shit out of someone to make a value bet here.

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MuckingUrMom   United States. Apr 23 2008 21:24. Posts 48

You're gonna get check-raised a decent amount i think which is another problem.


casinocasino   Canada. Apr 23 2008 23:00. Posts 3347

some intresting replys in this thread.


Twisted    Netherlands. Apr 24 2008 00:41. Posts 10422

Totally standard to valuebet here imo.

He might even look you up with A-high. I don't think it's sick at all, totally standard.


ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Apr 24 2008 05:29. Posts 5070


  On April 23 2008 20:24 MuckingUrMom wrote:
You're gonna get check-raised a decent amount i think which is another problem.



By what? who ever check raises here? Does he really expect me to even bet the river often? If he had like TT+ he would surely just go for 3barrels of value cause he'd be scared I check behind a pocket pair 7x or pocket below below 7? And lots of people even say they check back 88 or 99 here so I don't see why he would ever c/r for value here and c/r as a bluff seems dumb so???

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