NL600 KK Preflop kinda deep with weird action

I think thelou can shove JJ+ in his spot almost always if he's paying attention to the dynamics of the situation because bfl4me is full of it soooooooo often here to the point where you almost don't have to put a range on him. My question, I guess, is how often does someone flat a hand like JJ or QQ here as a trap line being somewhat deep vs multiple people at the table. That's what made it really unsettling for me, caz it almost only makes sense to do it with AA. But I doubt it's 99.9% of the time Fayth because people are dumb and do random dumb things.

And I'm with Smuft, folding KK is never easy in 6-max and if it is your probably not playing optimally. Nits -_-;;

wtf pathetically pride yourself more on being a "lagtard" and berate others by calling them "nits" because you simply cannot comprehend a FACE UP SITUATION

NO, he CANNOT have JJ or QQ here. They are too vulnerable and based on who the initial raiser was he is missing way too much value by not 3 betting pre. his stats say what his exact range is as well as hes putting in 200 bb when you can quite easily have a good hand

this is so unreal face up you monkey

On April 23 2008 20:01 MuckingUrMom wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2008 17:12 [vital]Myth wrote: extremely easy fold so how does the guy play AK or QQ?

he obviously 3 bets them pre?

lol wow. how is this even a thread?

obv 100 bb insta ship it in but shit..

I probably ask one of my room mates to press the fold button, because I cant force myself to ever fold KK preflop. If there is noone at home to help me, I probably call and pray.
(=> I think calling is -EV.)

i hate the "better spots" wtf... we are poker players we play any positive equity not for spots.

i think this is ez fold too but im fr nit and in fr its super standard

but on the better spots discussion i think if we are poker players playin for a living, we can def use the better spots excuse to reduce headaches from variance

tournament players play for spots

cosmo is a fish. learn what hand ranges and equity is not just that KK is a good hand.

-_-newb

On April 24 2008 21:14 JYang wrote: i think this is ez fold too but im fr nit and in fr its super standard but on the better spots discussion i think if we are poker players playin for a living, we can def use the better spots excuse to reduce headaches from variance make sure our vaginal fluid doesn't make a mess.

FYP

imo it would be ridiculously sick for lou to have QQ or JJ here in this spot
as for "looking for better spots", it does have some merit here because you're sitting deep. i'd rather sit with 200bb effective stacks vs someone i have an edge on than 100bb effective stacks. but even still the EV difference would have to be tiny before i consider it.

gotta be delusional to think we are good here with KK more than 30% of the time

On April 25 2008 18:48 Fayth wrote: gotta be delusional to think we are good here with KK more than 10% of the time

given the history you have written i think its an ez call. if you are comfortable valuecalling 99 to the opener's shove, why wouldnt the flatter shove w/ QQ/JJ for value? the chances of you calling are nearly 0 (if you are being wild but somehow consider folding KK) and QQ/JJ are surely ahead of the opener's shoving range if 99 is as well.

maybe i just suck? --;

really depends on how observant thelou23 is and how aggressive his tendencies are. the way you all talk about him makes him sound terrible tbh, and if thats the case i guess u can fold.

ya u suck

On April 26 2008 00:53 n0rthf4ce wrote: if you are comfortable valuecalling 99 to the opener's shove, why wouldnt the flatter shove w/ QQ/JJ for value?

because he's an idiot

he simply cant have qq jj tt here even tho it would be a perfect shove for him to do, but he just cant have thos ehand spf

On April 26 2008 00:53 n0rthf4ce wrote: given the history you have written i think its an ez call. if you are comfortable valuecalling 99 to the opener's shove, why wouldnt the flatter shove w/ QQ/JJ for value? the chances of you calling are nearly 0 (if you are being wild but somehow consider folding KK) and QQ/JJ are surely ahead of the opener's shoving range if 99 is as well. maybe i just suck? --;

No, most 400NL players don't get table dynamics at the level that you do with that thought process. It makes perfect sense for you maybe, but not for thelou.