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JonnyCosMo   United States. Apr 22 2008 15:30. Posts 4061

Submitted by : JonnyCosMo

POKERSTARS GAME #16902803459: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2008/04/21 - 21:49:20 (ET)
Table 'Irma' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: thelou23 ($1226.35 in chips)
Seat 2: rOdey37 ($606 in chips)
Seat 3: urcatchingup ($660 in chips)
Seat 4: plghh ($609 in chips)
Seat 5: JonnyCosMo ($1476.70 in chips)
Seat 6: bfl4me ($817.05 in chips)
plghh: posts small blind $3
JonnyCosMo : posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to JonnyCosMo KhKs
bfl4me: raises $18 to $24
thelou23: calls $24
rOdey37: folds
urcatchingup: folds
plghh: calls $21
JonnyCosMo : raises $64 to $88
bfl4me: raises $729.05 to $817.05 and is all-in
thelou23: raises $409.30 to $1226.35 and is all-in
plghh: folds
JonnyCosMo said, "rofl wat?"



I'll try and do the best I can with setting this up: bfl4me and me are at war (as usual) we have tons of history. Him shoving UTG here over my squeeze is so wide that I would have squeezed 99 and snap called for value and have been very comfortable with the results. thelou23 has been somewhat active as of late, he just doubled through bfl4me about an orbit before this hand happened. I think everyone at the table views me as a psycho lunatic that has no clue what he's doing. With that said, this is only the 2nd or 3rd time I've made a big squeeze over this kind of action at this table. Also I haven't played any pots with thelou23 yet.

If anyone wants to know, PT stats I have on each are bfl4me (24/21/4) and thelou23 (23/17/1).

Pot! Pot! Shove! 

MuckingUrMom   United States. Apr 22 2008 15:34. Posts 47

I call and don't feel to terrible about it


DooMeR   United States. Apr 22 2008 15:42. Posts 5648

learn how to fold newb

I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance, by running away from the scene of an accident. 

TimDawg   United States. Apr 22 2008 15:45. Posts 5151


  On April 22 2008 15:30 JonnyCosMo wrote:
I would have squeezed 99 and snap called for value and have been very comfortable with the results.


then won't thelou be re-shoving with a much wider range than usual?

surely QQ+ and AK

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

TimDawg   United States. Apr 22 2008 15:52. Posts 5151

this seems like a standard cosmo wahhhhh/i run bad post

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

Day[9]   United States. Apr 22 2008 15:55. Posts 2370

just fold

no way i'd call in a million years. you only have 88$ invested. there are FAR better spots than this one.

push button, receive bacon 

royalsu   Canada. Apr 22 2008 15:55. Posts 1961

with no history with delou how can you call? does he even notice what you guys are doing? i.e. does he 4bet when you guys do your raise-3bet dance?

I assume people are playing their own cards until they show me otherwise.


TimDawg   United States. Apr 22 2008 15:59. Posts 5151

wtf

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

TimDawg   United States. Apr 22 2008 16:04. Posts 5151

oh wowwwwwwwwwww, i suck at reading hh's

i just now noticed that lou flatted the original raise pf, i guess his re-shove does look a lot scarier now

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

TimDawg   United States. Apr 22 2008 16:15. Posts 5151

but i can still see lou playing AK and possibly QQ this way if he thinks that you or any others left to act are going to squeeze light

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

TimDawg   United States. Apr 22 2008 16:20. Posts 5151

double post

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck manLast edit: 22/04/2008 16:21

nolan   United States. Apr 22 2008 16:37. Posts 3437

i think that you're ahead a lot of the time here (maybe 75%+), however i'm not sure its EV+ with hte dollars involved if the table is particularly soft in any way.

i'd probably let this go. assigning them some reasonable ranges (99+, AQ AK) you're only at best around 55% to win...

power of the dollar 

taqtiX   Iceland. Apr 22 2008 16:49. Posts 242

baby 3bet is really ugly, make a pot sized 3bet.. esp w/ these stacks.

  On April 22 2008 16:37 nolan wrote:
i'd probably let this go. assigning them some reasonable ranges (99+, AQ AK) you're only at best around 55% to win...


uhm you realize that would be a massively +EV call and folding would be a major blunder?

yo, imma make this play! see, it looks like i have nothing and i have nothing and opponent is some halfie fish. is it good? 

Fraser   Canada. Apr 22 2008 16:52. Posts 3136


  On April 22 2008 16:49 taqtiX wrote:
baby 3bet is really ugly, make a pot sized 3bet.. esp w/ these stacks.
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uhm you realize that would be a massively +EV call and folding would be a major blunder?

Oooooooh I am a pizza. 

SneakrFreakr   United Kingdom. Apr 22 2008 16:57. Posts 1904


  On April 22 2008 15:55 Day[9] wrote:
just fold

no way i'd call in a million years. you only have 88$ invested. there are FAR better spots than this one.



why would you want to look for better spots when you can put your money in with very decent equity against their range?

rivered for my fucking bankroll - NeillyJQ 

tae-g   United States. Apr 22 2008 17:10. Posts 1745

bfl4me has AK and thelou23 has AA every time

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But seriously though...I think thelou's flat and then reshove this deep would probably scare the shit out of me. Its not like hes trying to isolate the "shortstack" whos all in with JJ or something. He doesnt have to give you credit for a monster because it looks like you could be squeezing I guess, but still I think hes not showing up with QQ here too much bec he has to put bl4me on at least AK right?

But after being scared about the flat/reshove I tell myself bfl4me has AK and thelou has QQ and I'll hold for the monster pot.

Diagonals: oh hai guise wats goin on at this table 

[vital]Myth    United States. Apr 22 2008 17:12. Posts 8941

extremely easy fold

Wednesday night, Im on the list: T-Pain plus three 

Fayth   Canada. Apr 22 2008 19:33. Posts 6241

would be closer with 100bb, std fold for 200bb

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

Fayth   Canada. Apr 22 2008 19:36. Posts 6241

thelou's line is the same as a limp/reraise line, which is AA like .. 95% of the time, and deepstacked makes it a much easier decision

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

cariadon   Estonia. Apr 22 2008 21:54. Posts 1897

100bb i am never folding
this deep if thelou has a clue you can find a fold here, probably not cause KK = AA preflop =

Rekrul: raise allin and celebrate 

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