AK 10/20, Is this line terrible?

Villian is a reg. We both checked the flop so I really discount that he has a Q and decide to check raise the turn given I think I have 2 overs (I am putting him on mid pair at best here...as he is very agressive) and a gut shot. I was very suprised to even get a call. Do i bet the river for value or check and hope to induce a bet/bluff?

Submitted by : ukfan81

PokerStars Game #16776657151: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2008/04/16 - 16:10:57 (ET)
Table 'Halaesus III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Trop Poker ($1124.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Empire2000 ($2010 in chips)
Seat 3: ukfan81 ($3967 in chips)
Seat 4: traveller ($1055 in chips)
Seat 5: LittleZen ($400 in chips)
Seat 6: morello05 ($320 in chips)
Seat 7: Kelisitaan ($2536 in chips)
Seat 8: venkanto ($400 in chips)
Seat 9: SobraoBoY ($2664 in chips)
Empire2000: posts small blind $10
ukfan81 : posts big blind $20

Holecards
Dealt to ukfan81
traveller: folds
LittleZen: folds
morello05: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $20 to $40
venkanto: folds
SobraoBoY: folds
Trop Poker: folds
Empire2000: calls $30
ukfan81 : raises $80 to $120
Kelisitaan: calls $80
Empire2000: folds

Flop (Pot : $280.00)

   
ukfan81 : checks
Kelisitaan: checks

Turn (Pot : $280.00)

   
ukfan81 : checks
Kelisitaan: bets $120
ukfan81 : raises $260 to $380
Kelisitaan: calls $260

River (Pot : $1,040.00)

   

vbet obviously, 750


gimme red star -__-;

against keli this river is a mandatory bet/call, but you have to bet like 40% pot so he'll think you're vbetting thin. if he thinks you're vbetting thin then he'll shove with JJ as a bluff

and anyway 3bet more preflop and bet the flop

Should I just pot it preflop? ($160)

at least 160 pf

bet flop

i hate everything about your line and i still dont even like the river spot, the only good thing is that he might give you a wider range since you look a little bit squeezy. but you lost that when you checked flop anyways

Being that Keli likes to float me about 80% of the time I thought this line might slow him down. I might add that he held Q,10o here.

So I need to be cbetting this flop and then check raising if floated......right?

i think i played you at 200nl FR or 6max two months ago and really heatering the tables with unorthodox plays i noticed. 2knl now? omg / my wrists now...

On April 18 2008 08:55 ukfan81 wrote: So I need to be cbetting this flop and then check raising if floated......right?

or you could double barrel against people who float a lot..............

I am not sure it was me at 200NL if it was FR, I really only played 200NL 6max. I did ocassonally play the FR but generally only if "Futilewar" was there. I could never figure out why I saw him at that level and something like 25/50 in the same week so I would sit and watch him.

you are so bad, lol

these lines will get paid off because they are completley random and no one will know how to react

it's like fighting some random thug in the middle of day but then a rock falls out of the sky and hits him in the head, you won the fight but your in a weird spot afterwards

On April 20 2008 08:48 TalentedTom wrote: it's like fighting some random thug in the middle of day but then a rock falls out of the sky and hits him in the head, you won the fight but your in a weird spot afterwards

that's explains all

why are you playing 10/20?

Value bet $1040+... although I like shoving sometimes in this spot caz it's fun to see whether or not these funky multi-level thinking hero calling regulars will mind fuck themselves.

You take weak lines. I think with lines like this and the KK one from last hand even people like Doomer will be flinging shittards at you from lagland.

On April 21 2008 05:33 RaSZi wrote: You take weak lines. I think with lines like this and the KK one from last hand even people like Doomer will be flinging shittards at you from lagland.

LOOOOOL

On April 20 2008 08:48 TalentedTom wrote: it's like fighting some random thug in the middle of day but then a rock falls out of the sky and hits him in the head, you won the fight but your in a weird spot afterwards

oh lawwwwwwwd

if that's not quote material, then i don't know what is

i be flingin them shitards

Sorry if this is offtopic but what are your opinions about Kelisitaan? He is not a member here right? In my view he is the biggest idiot walking this planet talking about his poker skills because I see him do such stupid moves and so obvious plays all the time. I normally play 100nl but made 3 trips to 1000nl just to play him. He minraises preflop and minbets the flop if he misses and bets like 3/4 pot if he hits and I have never seen him mix up his plays.

Was I lucky and he drunk when I saw him play (observed for like an hour before I first took a shot at that level) and played him for three different sessions or is really that bad and he just has infinite money?

keli is one of the biggest winners in the 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10 FR games on stars
he is very trick and its very hard to put him on a hand

Sorry if this is offtopic but what are your opinions about Kelisitaan? He is not a member here right? In my view he is the biggest idiot walking this planet talking about his poker skills because I see him do such stupid moves and so obvious plays all the time. I normally play 100nl but made 3 trips to 1000nl just to play him. He minraises preflop and minbets the flop if he misses and bets like 3/4 pot if he hits and I have never seen him mix up his plays.

keli is one of the biggest winners in the 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10 FR games on stars he is very trick and its very hard to put him on a hand

WHO LIEZ THEN?

Keli is def good

On April 21 2008 15:06 Webjoker wrote: I normally play 100nl but made 3 trips to 1000nl just to play him.

lol?

On April 23 2008 02:45 Tycho wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2008 15:06 Webjoker wrote: I normally play 100nl but made 3 trips to 1000nl just to play him. lol?

You can laugh all you want but I studied these tables where he was on for several hours in total everytime before I took a shot and my "trips" were succesfull thanks to this player. I am totally not that good a player but I have 10 hands where he minraises preflop and than plays his cards face up postflop.

Except for one hand where I made a big mistake and one trip where I was completely drunk I got (for my stakes) big money from this player. 1000nl fullring is so passive and totally not hard.

Maybe I was just very lucky, let's keep it at that. Sidenote: I don't do bankrollmanagement, I just gamble from time to time at higher stakes and cash out at regular basis, I just don't care.

keli is one of the precious few FR players that i really don't want at my table. at first everyone thinks he is bad because he has fishy traits (plays a lot of hands, min raises) but he is a very good player. he's so good that many of the other regs are starting to emulate him.

I would think you got very lucky. He plays very high volume and was probably set mining on you very hard in most cases that he minraised and called. Every time I have filtered him at any level he was a 20k or better winner. You sound like this moron "ukfan81" before he lost 20k Saturday

this thread has more fish than 5nl