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ukfan81   United States. Apr 17 2008 11:12. Posts 139 | | | |
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YoMeR   United States. Apr 17 2008 11:17. Posts 12438 | | |
I don't see how you're ever folding this after you bet this turn...unless empire2000 is a monster nit and never value betting worse.
perhaps you could share a bit of your thought process or reads or something? |
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ukfan81   United States. Apr 17 2008 11:33. Posts 139 | | |
I don't have much of a history with villian. I know he is a strong player and that is about it. I haven't been at the table long enough to have seen him get out of line or anything. I feel my line is pretty strong here. I did bet the flop pretty weak but I was actually expecting a raise that i was gonna shove over the top of. So when he check raises AI on the turn the only real hand I see him playing this way is JJ and maybe 77 since I only bet 1/2 pot on the flop. |
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PoorUser   United States. Apr 17 2008 14:02. Posts 7472 | | |
he probably has you beat but you should call anyways
and bet the flop a lot bigger... |
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ukfan81   United States. Apr 17 2008 14:41. Posts 139 | | |
If i bet flop harder ..........can i get value from a hand like AJ,KJ? I would think not since i showed strength preflop. What do you think PoorUser? |
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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 17 2008 15:57. Posts 34312 | | |
| | On April 17 2008 13:41 ukfan81 wrote:
If i bet flop harder ..........can i get value from a hand like AJ,KJ? I would think not since i showed strength preflop. What do you think PoorUser? |
why would he call with AJ KJ preflop if he is not intending to play a J22 board?. |
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PoorUser   United States. Apr 17 2008 16:00. Posts 7472 | | |
i would think that if your betting 200 for value on dry flops with kk and 340 on the same flop with ak your going to have a very tough time playing against anybody with a clue
you have to follow through your cbets the same amount every time (or at least the same amount on the same boards with respect to position) or people will rape you |
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BigRed0000   United States. Apr 17 2008 16:16. Posts 3554 | | |
Whoops didn't read all the posts my bad! |
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disCord   United States. Apr 17 2008 16:56. Posts 1005 | | |
| | On April 17 2008 13:02 PoorUser wrote:
and bet the flop a lot bigger... |
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NMcNasty   United States. Apr 17 2008 17:39. Posts 2041 | | |
Without a lot of history this is an extremely bad board to shove as a value-bet with QQ or less, or to bluff. I think you can respect Empire enough to make a fold here. |
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Apr 17 2008 17:54. Posts 7292 | | |
I dont fold here to Empire2000 anyone |
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taqtiX   Iceland. Apr 17 2008 18:23. Posts 338 | | |
You can't fold after betting the turn. Getting 3:1 it's a call unless for some reason you can remove QQ from his range.
Board: Jc 2d 2h 7s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.229% 63.74% 02.51% 152664 6009.00 { JJ+, 77, 22 }
Hand 1: 33.772% 31.28% 02.51% 74909 6009.50 { KdKs } |
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ukfan81   United States. Apr 17 2008 21:50. Posts 139 | | |
PoorUser.....I understand you are a well respected player on the site, but nothing you just said makes any sense. I guess you are referring to the other hand i posted with AK. There are several differneces in these hands. 1. The flops are very different 2. With AK I am OOP and w/ KK I am IP. A continuation bet was made w/ KK and not with AK. Look back and see AK was check-raised on turn which would be the same line taken with a set on that board. Also if you make standard cbet everytime......is your range balanced? Please stop leaving comments geared towards trying to get someone to play horrible. That hustle has long been broke! |
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ukfan81   United States. Apr 17 2008 21:55. Posts 139 | | | |
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Jamie217   Canada. Apr 17 2008 22:00. Posts 4351 | | |
| | On April 17 2008 20:50 ukfan81 wrote:
PoorUser.....I understand you are a well respected player on the site, but nothing you just said makes any sense. I guess you are referring to the other hand i posted with AK. There are several differneces in these hands. 1. The flops are very different 2. With AK I am OOP and w/ KK I am IP. A continuation bet was made w/ KK and not with AK. Look back and see AK was check-raised on turn which would be the same line taken with a set on that board. Also if you make standard cbet everytime......is your range balanced? Please stop leaving comments geared towards trying to get someone to play horrible. That hustle has long been broke! |
lol?
Hes clearly trying to help you... pretty obv you need to bet flop bigger. |
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ukfan81   United States. Apr 17 2008 22:04. Posts 139 | | |
Why overbet flop and turn hand face up aginst a good player. As played hand is underepped and he tries to make a move with a marginal hand. If he raises the flop bet I am overshoving and just getting coolered by JJ if it turns out to be the case. As far as helping goes....he has flamed every post I have made. |
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adam001   Canada. Apr 17 2008 22:36. Posts 289 | | | |
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FrinkX   United States. Apr 18 2008 02:13. Posts 7562 | | | |
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[vital]Myth   United States. Apr 18 2008 02:21. Posts 12159 | | |
| | On April 17 2008 21:04 ukfan81 wrote:
he has flamed every post I have made. |
dude, pooruser is seriously not flaming you. i can understand if you feel that his tone is coming off kinda harsh, but he's providing reasoning and arguing (sensibly) that he thinks you are playing in a manner that will get you in trouble.
disagreeing with your play, yes. harshly? maybe. flaming you, no.
he is trying to help, whether it's working or not. give the internet a break...so much humanity is lost in this html world |
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[vital]Myth   United States. Apr 18 2008 02:22. Posts 12159 | | |
and by the way, if you think betting 340 won't get a call from a jack on a J22 flop, i guarantee you are mistaken |
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