Turn check raise

The game was 5/10zl live (1$=2,2zl) - posted it in high stakes though due to pot size and villains definite high stakes skill.

Game was ~5 handed with people going back and forth. Effective stack sizes between me and villain were ~2,6k

Villain is very good aggresive online high stakes player (LP.net user too). Hes been dominating the table, bullying rest of the player. Three betting rather lightly and running some bluffs (showing some of them). He also did big all in rebluff against me when I took a stand. He wasnt showing any value hands, mostly taking down the pots without showdown.

My image against is a bit of a question, but probably considered me weak tight.

Submitted by : Eo

Stacks:
Vil 2,9k
Hero 2,6k

UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
Cutoff limps
Hero bets 40
Villain raises 160
Big blind folds
Cutoff folds
Hero calls

Flop Pot: 340

Villain bets 275
Hero calls 275

Turn Pot 890 :

Villain checks
Hero bets 775
Villain goes all in for 2195

1420 more to call

If you're unsure what to do on the turn if he raises/calls, check turn behind and go for a cheap showdown, obv value betting if he checks again

generally fold turn, I don't think u have enough equity vs AJ+ and any flush draw.

sorry to be blunt,but your 775 bet on the turn just look to me you are not good enough to play poker esp vs villain. fold there the chance of him bluffing is small.

On April 12 2008 07:09 blah1234 wrote: sorry to be blunt,but your 775 bet on the turn just look to me you are not good enough to play poker esp vs villain. fold there the chance of him bluffing is small.

I feel offended by the remark that I should not be playing at all But you are right about not playing villain - i didnt want to hit n run on another player, so i stayed at the table. Had huge drunk fish to my right so figured it wont be so bad (apparently wasnt right about that).

As to the hand: check behind turn, call non-AK river?

yeah calling a nonak river seems fine

i dont like flatting the flop

(Standard Option) Reraise flop and fold to a shove.(Agressive Option) Shove turn while there is still some fold equity. If you have weak/tight image he has to think you are not bluffing often in this spot. I think you fold his whole range with a shove here unless he happens yo have JJ. It's risky but if he is 3 betting light, his range is wide here so I think it works more than it fails. (Passive Option) Just check behind and get to river cheap for showdown, Bet for value if he checks a blank.

who is the villain??^^

On April 12 2008 09:39 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: who is the villain??^^

Manyac


Philosphy behind my play was that if he had really big hand he could just value bet 3 streets and Id probably just go all the way with it given the history and flow of the game.

Check raise turn was showing a lot of strenght and given my image and probability that i scared-money might make me pitch even quite good hand (and the fact that even if I folded id still be up in the session might have made him think that id still be happy to fold and keep rest of my money and go home with a profit). Why then risk loss of value by such a display of strength, if he can get it all in by just value betting?

I thought when he checked turn that hes either giving up on the hand or going for a big bluff. But lame as it was when he pushed all in I didnt have the guts to insta go with my first read and call. But I figured its more likely to be bluff in this situations.

Does it makes any sense or am I paranoid and should start playing bridge ^^

Make sure that when you put money into the pot it is done for a reason. Given what you said above "villian is giving up or setting up huge bluff" your bet of $775 is to take the pot down if he has in fact given up or to snap call an AI bluff. Also I think a bet of $600 to $650 serves the same purpose and looks stronger IMO. Also saves you as much as $175 if you ar only betting to see if you can drag the pot.

if you can't bet/call the turn or river, then call the flop and check it down

On April 12 2008 09:38 ukfan81 wrote: (Standard Option) Reraise flop and fold to a shove.(Agressive Option) Shove turn while there is still some fold equity. If you have weak/tight image he has to think you are not bluffing often in this spot. I think you fold his whole range with a shove here unless he happens yo have JJ. It's risky but if he is 3 betting light, his range is wide here so I think it works more than it fails. (Passive Option) Just check behind and get to river cheap for showdown, Bet for value if he checks a blank.

raise fold turns TT into a bluf vs a an apparently very loose player i dont like it at all.

i'd put him on T9o and instacall, u guys are nuts his range is AJ/KJ/air

I would call always, he dont expect you to bet this turn if you have a mid pp, only if you have a v strong hand so

On April 14 2008 23:10 locoo wrote: I would call always, he dont expect you to bet this turn if you have a mid pp, only if you have a v strong hand so

pure speculation.. maybe hero always bets the turn with a mid pp and maybe villain knows this.

It's funny that you play $1k deep livegames, but only play 25nl and 10nl online. Tomson's homegame?

I think this is very rarely a bluff tho. I mean he's representing a big hand and giving you reasonable odds here. I think this is a fold. =] Might even consider checking behind on turn for pot control, planning on calling a riverbet on pretty much any river.