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tomson   Poland. Apr 07 2008 04:39. Posts 1407 | | |
The Online Poker Revolution
Nobody can deny that in the last 5 years poker has evolved more than ever before in its 40 year-old history and has pushed the game to a point that did not seem possible before. The victory of Chris Moneymaker and the development of online cardrooms made it explode and grow exponentially in size. To get an idea of the scale you can compare the number of entrants to the WSOP Main Event. In 2003 there was 839 and in 2006 - 8,773. With increasing popularity, there are better tools made available for becoming a better poker player. You can easily discuss hands with friends via AIM/MSN, post on forums, use programs to calculate odds, watch instructional videos. Cardrunners were the pioneers of the online-poker teaching site and revolutionized the game for a lot of people with clearly outlined basic concepts about position and aggression. As these sources of knowledge expanded, you could definitely see a unified playing style conceptualize. A paradigm for the winning players.
The Model of the Winning Online Poker Player
The outstanding fundamental rules were:
- be very aggressive
- never limp
- isolate limpers
- be loose in position, tight out of position
These things constituted a style that was not only profitable and difficult to play against but also very hard to exploit. The style evolved and more specific rules were created and adhered to. Nowadays, almost every winning online poker player applies them to his game to at least some extent without question. Sometimes a player applies the rules and style before they fully understand the reasoning behind it which allows them to become good faster than they would through trial and error.
This online-revolution created some distinctive differences between the young internet stars and the oldschool live pros. If you watch shows like "High Stakes Poker" you might cringe at how players who are regarded by the public to be the best in the world aren't applying even the most fundamental rules that now seem absolutely standard in the online world. I, for one, felt almost angry that these people were considered the cream of the crop when they were obviously making horrendous mistakes. And while I still hold on to the idea that they're technically flawed and definitely worse than the online pros, they might have a certain advantage over some of the young internet poker players. They haven't been indoctrinated by this paradigm allowing for them to more easily...
Think Outside the Box
In my previous poker article Exploitive vs Optimal Approach I talked about 2 different approaches to the game - an optimal one and an exploitative one. The current paradigm of a winning online player is more optimal, while the technically inferior live players rely more on exploitation. Live players never learned the cardinal rules taught by instructional sites therefore they have to adapt to their opponents mainly through reads and observation. While they are technically inept they might make correct plays that an orthodox aggressive online would not make (e.g. folding KK pre-flop for 100bb against a specific opponent).
Players who subscribe to the paradigm often follow it blindly. This can be easily proved if you look at a topic on a poker forum where the question is about a big laydown. Very few people will encourage the idea of making a monster fold. Most will hate it because that's the way they have been taught to think and that's what their conception of proper poker is. Unfortunately this makes many discussions pretty shallow - not many think outside of the box. There are a lot of people are trapped inside the paradigm.
It is important to realize one of the most crucial aspects of poker is adaptation. They say 'never fold a set' or 'don't fold KK pre-flop' - don't be an idiot. No rule can be universally applied to every situation. You make money by playing your hands differently than the rest of the field so the more you generalize, the less your edge will be.
Once we accept that we can start seeing certain situations under a different light, options begin arising in spots which previously seemed automatic. A good example would be the min-raise - a play that was notoriously characteristic to be almost exclusively that of a fish. Now it's not all that uncommon to see players min-raising continuation bets in high stakes games. Another nice example of a play that in the past was almost always labeled to be that of a fish - open-limping the button heads up. Now it is successfully employed by players such as durrrr and cts.
There are no golden rules in poker. The answer to virtually any poker question is 'it depends' (as dreadful as that phrase might sound sometimes). Don't subscribe to the craze that says you should 'always' do something in poker - think for yourself. You may come to realize that open-limping might be more +EV than raising in specific scenarios and then go on to apply that; that you can limp behind instead of isolating with your suited connector. Maybe you can find a fold with bottom set on a rag flop - and perhaps it is possible to muck KK pre-flop.
Stay open-minded.
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Meatball   United States. Apr 07 2008 05:11. Posts 890 | | |
Good Read. Thanks Tomson. |
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Silver)Z(   New Zealand. Apr 07 2008 05:31. Posts 3191 | | |
v nice, gives me hope that i can beat regulars if I think |
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The72o   Poland. Apr 07 2008 05:35. Posts 4651 | | | |
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rnbsalsa88   United States. Apr 07 2008 05:46. Posts 738 | | |
Great article Tomson. You're dead on. There is way too much rigid thinking in poker. |
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kimseongchan   United States. Apr 07 2008 06:02. Posts 2005 | | |
great article, reminds me of why I like this game so much (other than the money), there is no a "perfect" way to play |
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Joe   Czech Republic. Apr 07 2008 06:11. Posts 4692 | | |
I realised this when I started playing live more often. When you 1-table live you have so much more info that you can easily make decisions that would be considered sick bad by online multitabling grinders. |
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Jelle   Belgium. Apr 07 2008 07:11. Posts 2342 | | |
tomson u r really good at this =) wp sir |
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YoMeR   United States. Apr 07 2008 07:38. Posts 5995 | | |
| | On April 07 2008 06:11 Joe wrote:
I realised this when I started playing live more often. When you 1-table live you have so much more info that you can easily make decisions that would be considered sick bad by online multitabling grinders. |
yea you start doing crazy shit that you've never dreamed of in online poker. and it's not only the fact that you're 1 tabling. It's the fact that they are there in person and that makes for soooo much more information. so most good players would obviously take the exploitive approach rather than the optimal one. |
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BLo01   Canada. Apr 07 2008 07:49. Posts 121 | | | |
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ukfan81   United States. Apr 07 2008 07:56. Posts 121 | | |
Finally......some support for my thread, mucking KK preflop at 25/50!!!!!!!! |
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Roman   United States. Apr 07 2008 08:21. Posts 341 | | |
| | On April 07 2008 07:56 ukfan81 wrote:
Finally......some support for my thread, mucking KK preflop at 25/50!!!!!!!! |
combined ur opponents didnt have a card higher than 9 in their hand ahahaha |
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Bejamin1   Canada. Apr 07 2008 09:00. Posts 3038 | | | |
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Highcard   Canada. Apr 07 2008 12:30. Posts 1091 | | |
good read and definitely true |
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BenGb   Canada. Apr 07 2008 12:41. Posts 365 | | |
nice read, thats a good thing to remind. |
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k2o4   United States. Apr 07 2008 13:02. Posts 1755 | | |
| | On April 07 2008 05:46 rnbsalsa88 wrote:
Great article Tomson. You're dead on. There is way too much rigid thinking in poker. |
yep, agreed. Really nice read =) |
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Avius   Germany. Apr 07 2008 14:54. Posts 69 | | |
awesome article, very nice read |
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SemPeR   Canada. Apr 07 2008 15:07. Posts 1227 | | |
thanks. definitely front page material. |
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Syntax   United States. Apr 07 2008 15:57. Posts 3479 | | |
i dont even know how to say that damn word.
great read, nice work |
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ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Apr 07 2008 16:17. Posts 3472 | | | |
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whamm!   Philippines. Apr 08 2008 01:29. Posts 1522 | | |
shit. now i'm back to folding kk pf |
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jase   Australia. Apr 08 2008 07:37. Posts 878 | | |
Read Thomas Kuhns writing on paradigm shifts, its ridiculous how much poker resembles his examples |
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lostaccount   Canada. Apr 08 2008 10:23. Posts 1726 | | |
one of the bet article ive ever read, tomson you are one smart fella.
best statement ever, why can one make a big call and not a big fold?
"Players who subscribe to the paradigm often follow it blindly. This can be easily proved if you look at a topic on a poker forum where the question is about a big laydown"
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Stygg   Sweden. Apr 09 2008 02:35. Posts 1549 | | |
you need to post more tomson, i always find myself in agreement to almost everything you write. much love |
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sousben   United Kingdom. Apr 15 2008 05:59. Posts 2 | | |
Great stuff for sure here...
I am disappointed though, that within 2 pages of replies, there is no real comment, only cheers...I'll try to make my own then.
You have pointed out what is probably the most interesting evolution that this game have ever seen:
poker was only played live, until the online revolution that happened less-than-a-decade ago.
Today, the first generation of "natural born online poker players" - players who basically have just learned/played this game online - is emerging, and getting more mature.
It is interesting to see that even though the rules are the same, the game is different.
Why? because of information. The lack of information online compared to live is progressively being replaced by flawless mathematically driven strategy: EV max.
But think about it, in the majority of live games, there is no such thing than EV.
Mathemathically speaking, EV is what you should expect to earn/loose in the long run, ie. if that exact situation came to happen a number of times that would get variance insignificant. (thousands at least)
Say, you are playing a Final table in a big buy-in/big field live tournament. You get into a mind twisting situation, and struggle to get a decision out of it. Should you think about EV????
Not in my opinion.
If you are an amazing player doing really well, almost as good as the poker superstars you worship everyday, you will still probably face this situation less than 10 times in your life.
If you consider the history against that single oppenent, your knowledge of his game, your perception of his state of mind, then this is a unique situation, as much is any real life situation.
Conversely, online poker is a video game. A lot Different than any video game in many points, but similar (thus different to live poker) in some.
Think about how many hands a day a massive multitabler can play, compared to how many you could play in a live game.
The point of my reply is that the boom of online playing have brought so much liquidity to poker, that the volume of hands one can play can get him close to unsignificant variance, over, say a year, while live play is still a lot more subject to variance.
Two different games, two different optimal strategies.
It is interesting though, to see online players perform so well in live tournaments.
Flawless preflop strategy seems to be taking the lead over long time gamblers' astute post-flop plays.
Interesting to see how online playing is bringing mathematics as a hotter topic than psychology in poker.
Think about it, "coy-boy" would probably be the best adjective to define long time professionals, when nerd/geek seems to be what defines the most profitable online players.
Respect. |
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