Omaha 100 by Fox

Submitted by : Fox

PokerStars Game #16360462059: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/03/30 - 11:32:02 (ET)
Table 'Leonce II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: mbardsen ($102.15 in chips)
Seat 2: UKpokerstar ($96.40 in chips)
Seat 3: osnapper ($122.05 in chips)
Seat 4: rippfluid ($109.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($102 in chips)
Seat 6: phallos74 ($102.50 in chips)
osnapper: posts small blind $0.50
rippfluid: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Hero : raises $2.50 to $3.50
phallos74: calls $3.50
mbardsen: folds
UKpokerstar: calls $3.50
osnapper: folds
rippfluid: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $12.00)

   
Hero : bets $6
phallos74: folds
UKpokerstar: raises $10 to $16
Hero : calls $10

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $44.00)

   
Hero : checks
UKpokerstar: bets $21
Hero : calls $21

River (Pot : $86.00)

   
Hero : checks
UKpokerstar: checks

Showdown
Hero : shows (a straight, Eight to Queen)
UKpokerstar: mucks hand
Hero collected $83 from pot

Summary
Total pot $86 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: mbardsen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: UKpokerstar (button) mucked
Seat 3: osnapper (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: rippfluid (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Hero showed and won ($83) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 6: phallos74 folded on the Flop

and this one

Submitted by : Fox

PokerStars Game #16360625378: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/03/30 - 11:40:45 (ET)
Table 'Natalie' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: rayd71 ($176.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($215.50 in chips)
Seat 3: samuel13009 ($253.40 in chips)
Seat 5: hugoline78 ($82.15 in chips)
Seat 6: pvwinkel ($97.50 in chips)
hugoline78: posts small blind $0.50
pvwinkel: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
rayd71: folds
Hero : raises $2.50 to $3.50
samuel13009: raises $8.50 to $12
hugoline78: folds
pvwinkel: folds
Hero : raises $25.50 to $37.50
samuel13009: calls $25.50

Flop (Pot : $76.50)

   
nikko65 joins the table at seat #4
Hero : bets $50
samuel13009: raises $165.90 to $215.90 and is all-in
Hero : folds
samuel13009 collected $174.50 from pot
samuel13009: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $176.50 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: rayd71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hero folded on the Flop
Seat 3: samuel13009 (button) collected ($174.50)
Seat 5: hugoline78 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: pvwinkel (big blind) folded before Flop

first hand is a fold preflop, this is a trap hand that really doesnt play very well from early position.

on the flop the bet call is good. you dont have the nuts but you have the second nuts with good blockers to the nuts, so when he raises you its likely he has the nuts or blockers to it.
when the turn pairs the board and he bets again he is almost for sure bluffing. the reason is its very doubtful he raised a set or 2 pair on the flop, you have a J blocking the nuts and you have TT blocking KT and its unlikely he bets KT on the turn. i would go into check call mode right about now and it hink that is fine.



second hand i wouldnt 4bet pre. you cant get enough of your stack in to do so id probably call and see a flop and check call a street on a board like this. as played i think bet fold is eh ok, but i might go with it cause you have some decent backdoor straight draws and flush draws. if it comes out 25 54 heart heart or A anything you will certainly have the best hand and maybe you have some hidden outs if he has something like K8

so if i'm 4 bet in hand 2 then it's an easy push.

but because i can't get a lot of my stack in preflop just call.

cool thx.

umm I am no Omaha expert and it might be obvious to you already, but you either need to open up your 4bet/push range pre to some decent connecting hands as well as AAxx or good observant players will just exploit you if you 4bet only AAxx and push you off your hand like in hand2. So imho if you 4bet AAxx here then you have to 4bet enough other hands and do so with the intention of putting in with your AAxx asap on almost any flops. IIRC aba20 recommended a line like this a while ago and I like the principles of it

its fine to have only AA in your 4bet range IF you can get 1/3 your stack in so you can just mindlessly shove any flop
if you cant get 1/3 your stack in...you dont 4bet

what type of stuff would i add to my 4 bet range.
8910J double suited?

better? 10JKQ double suited?

KK?

if you are 4betting a wide range the purpose of it it is not to build a pot. the purpose is to regain the lead in betting so you can be the one with initiative on the flop so i think if you are 4betting you shouldnt be 4betting pot but instead small 4bets with good rundown hands like JT98 KQJT T987. KK is almost never anything but a fold if you are 3bet unless KK is ahead of his range and you can get it all in by 4betting

On March 30 2008 13:15 Daut wrote: if you are 4betting a wide range the purpose of it it is not to build a pot. the purpose is to regain the lead in betting so you can be the one with initiative on the flop so i think if you are 4betting you shouldnt be 4betting pot but instead small 4bets with good rundown hands like JT98 KQJT T987. KK is almost never anything but a fold if you are 3bet unless KK is ahead of his range and you can get it all in by 4betting

oh that makes sense. rgr that

i would never fold that first hand preflop

On March 30 2008 22:17 asdf2000 wrote: i would never fold that first hand preflop

That's what I was thinking

I prefer a pot bet on the flop in hand 1 to a half pot bet.

On March 30 2008 22:17 asdf2000 wrote: i would never fold that first hand preflop

I thought it looked pretty as well

but man it's difficult to know what's good or not utg.

1st hand, turn bet by him is obvious bluff, c/r pot against him every time if you don't play nit PLO. Good image builder as well so you won't get douchbags bluffing at you like he did on flop and those backdoor draws don't end up fucking you (like that 3 flush that hit)

the one thing that i didn't even realize until it's been pointed out was that i held 2 blockers for his KT and i shouldn't have worried as much about facing the 1st nuts.

second hand is real bad, you need to be able to play AA for stacks or not play it this aggressive preflop. this deep just take it easy. he should call your raise with any hand and he should push the flop with any pair, you playing AA like this is super exploitable

On April 01 2008 05:42 Nazgul wrote: second hand is real bad, you need to be able to play AA for stacks or not play it this aggressive preflop. this deep just take it easy. he should call your raise with any hand and he should push the flop with any pair, you playing AA like this is super exploitable

Yeah after daut was mentioning my backdoor outs i probably should have just gone to war with this as played. But seems like better play is to call his 3 bet preflop.

1st hand I bet bigger in the flop, and play it faster. After calling the flop, you played it fine

2nd hand its not the best AAxx to play for stacks with, and he's not gonna shove a worst hand imo. So, after 4betting pre, you have to play with caution. I dont know how to play that hand