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Fox   . Mar 30 2008 08:42. Posts 898 | | | |
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Daut   United States. Mar 30 2008 09:53. Posts 4051 | | |
first hand is a fold preflop, this is a trap hand that really doesnt play very well from early position.
on the flop the bet call is good. you dont have the nuts but you have the second nuts with good blockers to the nuts, so when he raises you its likely he has the nuts or blockers to it.
when the turn pairs the board and he bets again he is almost for sure bluffing. the reason is its very doubtful he raised a set or 2 pair on the flop, you have a J blocking the nuts and you have TT blocking KT and its unlikely he bets KT on the turn. i would go into check call mode right about now and it hink that is fine.
second hand i wouldnt 4bet pre. you cant get enough of your stack in to do so id probably call and see a flop and check call a street on a board like this. as played i think bet fold is eh ok, but i might go with it cause you have some decent backdoor straight draws and flush draws. if it comes out 25 54 heart heart or A anything you will certainly have the best hand and maybe you have some hidden outs if he has something like K8 |
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Fox   . Mar 30 2008 09:57. Posts 898 | | |
so if i'm 4 bet in hand 2 then it's an easy push.
but because i can't get a lot of my stack in preflop just call.
cool thx. |
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Repusz   Hungary. Mar 30 2008 10:41. Posts 290 | | |
umm I am no Omaha expert and it might be obvious to you already, but you either need to open up your 4bet/push range pre to some decent connecting hands as well as AAxx or good observant players will just exploit you if you 4bet only AAxx and push you off your hand like in hand2. So imho if you 4bet AAxx here then you have to 4bet enough other hands and do so with the intention of putting in with your AAxx asap on almost any flops. IIRC aba20 recommended a line like this a while ago and I like the principles of it  |
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Daut   United States. Mar 30 2008 11:25. Posts 4051 | | |
its fine to have only AA in your 4bet range IF you can get 1/3 your stack in so you can just mindlessly shove any flop
if you cant get 1/3 your stack in...you dont 4bet |
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Fox   . Mar 30 2008 11:40. Posts 898 | | |
what type of stuff would i add to my 4 bet range.
8910J double suited?
better? 10JKQ double suited?
KK?
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Daut   United States. Mar 30 2008 13:15. Posts 4051 | | |
if you are 4betting a wide range the purpose of it it is not to build a pot. the purpose is to regain the lead in betting so you can be the one with initiative on the flop so i think if you are 4betting you shouldnt be 4betting pot but instead small 4bets with good rundown hands like JT98 KQJT T987. KK is almost never anything but a fold if you are 3bet unless KK is ahead of his range and you can get it all in by 4betting |
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Fox   . Mar 30 2008 18:25. Posts 898 | | |
| | On March 30 2008 13:15 Daut wrote:
if you are 4betting a wide range the purpose of it it is not to build a pot. the purpose is to regain the lead in betting so you can be the one with initiative on the flop so i think if you are 4betting you shouldnt be 4betting pot but instead small 4bets with good rundown hands like JT98 KQJT T987. KK is almost never anything but a fold if you are 3bet unless KK is ahead of his range and you can get it all in by 4betting |
oh that makes sense. rgr that |
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asdf2000   United States. Mar 30 2008 22:17. Posts 4142 | | |
i would never fold that first hand preflop |
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Rxd Rxxf   United States. Mar 31 2008 00:11. Posts 611 | | |
| | On March 30 2008 22:17 asdf2000 wrote:
i would never fold that first hand preflop |
That's what I was thinking |
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Nuros   United Kingdom. Mar 31 2008 03:51. Posts 619 | | |
I prefer a pot bet on the flop in hand 1 to a half pot bet. |
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Fox   . Mar 31 2008 06:18. Posts 898 | | |
| | On March 30 2008 22:17 asdf2000 wrote:
i would never fold that first hand preflop |
I thought it looked pretty as well
but man it's difficult to know what's good or not utg. |
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Highcard   Canada. Mar 31 2008 11:23. Posts 874 | | |
1st hand, turn bet by him is obvious bluff, c/r pot against him every time if you don't play nit PLO. Good image builder as well so you won't get douchbags bluffing at you like he did on flop and those backdoor draws don't end up fucking you (like that 3 flush that hit) |
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Fox   . Mar 31 2008 12:20. Posts 898 | | |
the one thing that i didn't even realize until it's been pointed out was that i held 2 blockers for his KT and i shouldn't have worried as much about facing the 1st nuts. |
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Nazgul   Netherlands. Apr 01 2008 05:42. Posts 4303 | | |
second hand is real bad, you need to be able to play AA for stacks or not play it this aggressive preflop. this deep just take it easy. he should call your raise with any hand and he should push the flop with any pair, you playing AA like this is super exploitable |
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Fox   . Apr 01 2008 07:22. Posts 898 | | |
| | On April 01 2008 05:42 Nazgul wrote:
second hand is real bad, you need to be able to play AA for stacks or not play it this aggressive preflop. this deep just take it easy. he should call your raise with any hand and he should push the flop with any pair, you playing AA like this is super exploitable |
Yeah after daut was mentioning my backdoor outs i probably should have just gone to war with this as played. But seems like better play is to call his 3 bet preflop. |
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1st hand I bet bigger in the flop, and play it faster. After calling the flop, you played it fine
2nd hand its not the best AAxx to play for stacks with, and he's not gonna shove a worst hand imo. So, after 4betting pre, you have to play with caution. I dont know how to play that hand |
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