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I was just watching the latest PAD when a situation came up that made me think of a game I was playing in a about a year ago. The situation was that Antonino could see the cards of the player on his left (Eli Elezra) and he vocalized his dilemma with the table as well as warning Eli that he could see his cards if he chose to do so. Howard Lederer then made a comment something along the lines of "well, you've done exactly what you are required to do by letting him know you can see his cards. He is a professional and if he choses not to rectify the problem then you are doing no wrong by looking."
I thought it was pretty good of Antonino to do so, but at the same time I thought it was expected of him. I mean, they are both named pros and it's being aired on TV so he should probably speak up about it for a variety of reasons. Mainly for the integrity of the game.
This reminded me of a situation of a live 2-5 NL game I was playing in roughly a year ago where I could see the cards of the player to my right. He was obviously very drunk, playing quite loose and very very poorly. In the beginning I was sort of shocked I could literally see every hand from this guy. Then I leaned towards telling the guy, and I was genuinely starting to feel bad for the guy. (He was making pretty retarded bluffs every hand, wondering why he was always getting called, not getting value from his big hands..etc) I decided to go for a cigarette with a friend of mine who was also playing in the game and talked to him about what I should do. After thinking for a while I decided it was his own mistake for exposing his cards, not protecting himself, and I was just lucky to be sitting in the perfect seat.

Poll: What should I have done?
(Vote): Politely tell him I could see his cards, once.
(Vote): Insist that he protect his hand if he keeps it up.
(Vote): Take full advantage.
(Vote): Move seats.
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Poll: Would it make a difference if he was a regular
(Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.
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kimseongchan   United States. Mar 28 2008 05:45. Posts 2089 | | |
give them nothing, but take from them.. everything. |
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kantoiki   Australia. Mar 28 2008 06:03. Posts 3818 | | |
I guess depends on how much the money means to you but personally I'd just tell him once and then take full advantage if it continues.
edit: and no it doesn't matter if it's a reg or not. I'd apply the same to both |
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Ftrunkz   Australia. Mar 28 2008 06:04. Posts 384 | | |
I'd tell them... mainly because if you got caught peaking at the persons cards and they were a crazy enough person, they'd probably fuck your shit up  |
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Kapol   Poland. Mar 28 2008 06:20. Posts 4696 | | |
cheat mode ON
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Oly   United Kingdom. Mar 28 2008 06:23. Posts 3585 | | |
Telling them is simply your own choice, you obviously don't have to. I'm pissed off that I'm pretty sure I always would say something (and have before).
Once ages ago when I was a total newbie at the casino, a guy told me really early on that he could sometimes see my cards. Then I stacked him. |
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ggplz   Sweden. Mar 28 2008 06:36. Posts 16784 | | |
u gotta tell them at least once imo |
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[vital]Myth   United States. Mar 28 2008 06:41. Posts 12159 | | |
what the FUCK? NEVER tell somebody you can see his cards at your table. ESPECIALLY if he's drunk and to your right. seriously you must hate money AND be retarded to think that you should tell him. of course it doesn't make a difference if he's a regular.
seriously, like...if you try to fold your hand face down but you accidentally flip it up, then that's just part of the game and you pay for your own retardation. or if you accidentally muck the best hand, then once again you're paying for your own retardation. if you don't properly shield your hole cards, that's no different. it's your own fault and you will pay dearly for it, and you should. |
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[vital]Myth   United States. Mar 28 2008 06:51. Posts 12159 | | |
btw it's really common to be able to see the hole cards of somebody next to you. i have sat with somebody to my left or right who exposed his hole cards to me probably 15 times in my life. and like 9 or 10 of my most profitable sessions were among those 15 |
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ggplz   Sweden. Mar 28 2008 06:57. Posts 16784 | | |
| | On March 28 2008 04:45 kimseongchan wrote:
give them nothing, but take from them.. everything. |
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tokeweed   Philippines. Mar 28 2008 06:57. Posts 2149 | | |
if it's a tourney tell him... if it's some small stakes cash game, fuck it... |
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ggplz   Sweden. Mar 28 2008 06:58. Posts 16784 | | |
i know what your saying myth and maybe its fine but i would feel kinda obligated to warn someone about it tho T_T |
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[vital]Myth   United States. Mar 28 2008 07:00. Posts 12159 | | | |
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Floofy   Canada. Mar 28 2008 07:03. Posts 8708 | | |
wait wtf this is legal
it hapened to me once i had some fish who would kinda expose his cards but i thought it was kinda illegal to focus on looking at his cards
so i just didnt pay attention to it (and even then i think i still saw his cards from time to time on accident) |
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Rekrul   United States. Mar 28 2008 07:06. Posts 3338 | | |
| | On March 28 2008 05:41 [vital]Myth wrote:
what the FUCK? NEVER tell somebody you can see his cards at your table. ESPECIALLY if he's drunk and to your right. seriously you must hate money AND be retarded to think that you should tell him. of course it doesn't make a difference if he's a regular.
seriously, like...if you try to fold your hand face down but you accidentally flip it up, then that's just part of the game and you pay for your own retardation. or if you accidentally muck the best hand, then once again you're paying for your own retardation. if you don't properly shield your hole cards, that's no different. it's your own fault and you will pay dearly for it, and you should. |
if thats how you think then karma is going to crawl up and bite you in the ass one day
every single time i even think i could catch a whiff of seeing the persons cards next to me i let them know to be more careful when they check their cards
yesterday we got to the river checked down in a pot that i riased to 50 and got called by the button on 5 10, 115 in pot. weird board i had eight high i flipped my hand over I HAVE THE EIGHT...chinese guy kept staring at my hand i kept saying eight high I HAVE THE EIGHT EIGHT HIGH...then finally he mucked
person next to the chink said he showed bottom pair, and the german faggot to my right smiled at me and was like hahaha nice dan he just mucked the winning hand, nh..then the chinese guy was like FUCKKKK
i immediately threw 50$ to the chinese guy
dealer, chinese guy, and the other 6 nits at the table (elky was only other one) stare in disbelieve at what i just did
nits are like wow you are so nice, chinese guy was like ok thank u thank u thank u u real man i keep this aside incase i win big i multiply it and give it to u chinese custom (of course he ended up going broke so some nit got my money)...but still its hte principle
you fucking faggot nits trying to get every edge you can, i will fucking kill you, if i ever see one of you able to see someones cards next to u and u dont say a word i will get up and smack your fucking face then step on your fucking skull |
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Floofy   Canada. Mar 28 2008 07:11. Posts 8708 | | |

Poll: Whos right?
(Vote): Myth obv
(Vote): Myth i think, not sure
(Vote): Rekrul i think, not sure
(Vote): Rekrul obv
(Vote): i can't answer polls because i'm retarded
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Rekrul   United States. Mar 28 2008 07:15. Posts 3338 | | |
[vital]Myth says:
i actually wonder if there's a written rule about being able to see someone's cards
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bc like
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your example of the guy mucking the winning hand
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rules clearly state
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that in that situation
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you win the pot
life isnt about rules
if a hired killa fucking breaks your skull unnoticed with no evidence because the wrong guy got mad about you continually seeing other ppls cards and saying nothing, even though law dictates that he should indeed go to jail, he will walk free to break more skulls because he did it good and clean and didnt get caught
even though im trying to prove your own point wrong with your own point, bleh i hope you get the point |
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ggplz   Sweden. Mar 28 2008 07:17. Posts 16784 | | |
another epic poll from floofy |
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