Ethics: Exposed Cards

I usually tell people when I can see their cards, but then again I do not go and play for serious money, when I play live poker its more to have a good time and get my drink on, and also i've gotten pretty drunk at the table and I've had people tell me they were able to see a card here and there, so it would be pretty dickhead of me to exploit others.

I would tell them as you also avoid grudges and bad atmosphere after they find out. You dont want the fish disliking you and not giving you action.

WTF, of course you tell him.
I don't care if he is a friend, a drunk fish or a regular I don't like.

I remember a while ago I got involved in a 3bet pot with another one of the regulars at my home game who was a friend of mine (not good friend but friend) who was on my direct left, I rivered trips and he insta-mucked AK face-up to my river bet on a TA35T board. I stared at him like are you fucking kidding me?

He told me after the hand that he saw me look at my hand pre-flop...

You always tell people. Now I don't blame him for using it against me one hand, he had already raised and I was just stupid at looking at my cards with beer in hand, but you always tell people.

I don't know about some people, but if I won multiple hands from someone because I could see their cards, I would not feel good at all about winning money. People being on tilt or drunk is one thing, but this is different.

eh, i would definitely look unless the stakes were very low and it didn't matter to me.

Anyways, on a side note, i was playing at the borgata 5/10 and there was a drunk degen gambler to my right with like 7k in front of him when i sat down and i could see his cards like every other hand, so i would look when he flipped them very high and other wise not bc i didn't have sunglasses or w/e because that's pretty lame...anyways, floorman behind me taps me on the shoulder and when I turn around to see what he wants he's like "thanks." I guess he noticed that I was looking and it's frowned upon. I was going to discuss it with him and ask him if there's any kind of rule or if it's just all on the guy showing the cards, but he walked away right after that. That being said, if someone is retarded enough to show their cards, it's time to reraise iso them EVERY single time that they raise a pot until they get the hint that they're doing something wrong or lose all their money. The timing is all on them.

On March 28 2008 09:35 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On March 28 2008 08:58 Baal wrote: it would depend if i like or dislike the person, or if it provokes me sympathy or not. why would anyone be kind to an asshole

Because somebody else's lack of good character doesn't give you an excuse to be similar.

On March 28 2008 10:34 thewh00sel wrote: eh, i would definitely look unless the stakes were very low and it didn't matter to me. Anyways, on a side note, i was playing at the borgata 5/10 and there was a drunk degen gambler to my right with like 7k in front of him when i sat down and i could see his cards like every other hand, so i would look when he flipped them very high and other wise not bc i didn't have sunglasses or w/e because that's pretty lame...anyways, floorman behind me taps me on the shoulder and when I turn around to see what he wants he's like "thanks." I guess he noticed that I was looking and it's frowned upon. I was going to discuss it with him and ask him if there's any kind of rule or if it's just all on the guy showing the cards, but he walked away right after that. That being said, if someone is retarded enough to show their cards, it's time to reraise iso them EVERY single time that they raise a pot until they get the hint that they're doing something wrong or lose all their money. The timing is all on them.

I can see how accidentally showing people your hole cards in a poker game directly translates to stupidity. I hope you use such fool proof standards to judge all aspects of people's character.

I suppose it's a little much to ask of people to show a little integrity. It's such a difficult thing to do.

It's really a matter of integrity, myth seems to lack that haha

Theres plenty of people I met in live games that Id simply exploit it against them. But those are only players that use absurd house rules to gain a little more edge against others , against those id have no doubts.

Against any other Id tell them and/or show them proper way so that they can hide their cards. I just wouldnt feel comfortable having that kind of advantage and I dont consider holding your cards part of your poker skill.

i wish to play some live poker with all these people that say that ''hit n run is ok, its poker you know'' , ''exploit someone who is drunk and exposing your cards''. youll get your asses handed to you one day when youll expect it less, and learn what life is really about, good old fashion ass whopping, to put all you cocky inet players back in your place yo. seriously, i didnt even know there where that many people that wouldnt tell someone that they can see their cards. thats just ridic

I think do whatever you feel is right. If you consider correct to punish someone for the mistake, then go ahead do it and feel good.
For me it would be right to tell the guy, I simply wouldnt feel good about it. When you can see your opponents cards, then the game basically loses its purpose, its fun. I dont play poker just to make the most money I can, I play it because I enjoy it and I try to be as good as possible at it.

i dont tell them, but i dont look either

what are your thoughts on the person who used POTRIPPER myth? Do u think hes an asshole or someone who took the edge presented to him to maximize his profit?

Depends on the person showing their cards probably. If they were some complete and utter faggot constantly talking shit I may take advantage, but to the vast majority of people I'd let them know. I'm really not for the idea of taking advantage in spots like these, but against some people they just kinda deserve it and they get a big "fuck you".

If I can see someone's hole cards I tell them. I don't think it's ethical to be able to see someone's cards and not let them know. If you think it's correct to keep playing while seeing someone's cards, you can also make a similar argument that collusion is fine as well. Poker isn't suppose to be played by taking advantage of things like this.

If they continue to flash their cards to me after I've told them I could see their cards... well then I'd probably think they are fucking retarded, and don't deserve the money in front of them to begin with. lol...

lol i would tell the person even if i fucking hated their guts

its not about your level of respect for the person, its about your level of respect for urself

Seeing the person to your right hole cards can give you such an unbelievable edge on the game, since you can just isolate him from the rest of the table in every pot he plays and make perfect decisions post flop. But from an EV stand point, it's prolly not good for you or the game in the long run since someone who gets smashed this badly might not want to continue playing in this game, and if they are retarded enough to be flashing cards then they prolly aren't very good to begin with. Don't scare the fish away. Be nice!

two weeks ago actually i had AKo on the button and there was a raise, 3 callers including the guy to my right

he looked at his cards very openly with one hand and i saw his cards

instead of telling him / the table and completely fucking up the hand / flow of the game i mucked my cards then told him that i saw his cards and mucked a big hand cuz of it to not slow down the game

flop drilled KK4 too and i kept saying in my head FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE

show some manners you little cunt balls




LMAO theres two young kids that i dislike. one of them always berates fishes for how they play their hands without being asked. i always tell him to stfu and the fishes always love me for it and therefore give me action. i hate little faggot kids who think they can 'PUT THE FISH ON TILT' by doing pathetic shit like that. shut ur fking trap shade ball. another kid one hand raised a fish almost allin on the river and the fish thought it was allin so he just flipped over his hand which was the second nuts (king high flush on river) instead of saying call or reraising him allin....the faggot kid then tried to declare the hand dead THATS A DEAD HAND THATS A DEAD HAND THATS A DEAD HAND.....LOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL...the italian fish who is usually the nicest guy in the world went fucking APPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEshit and the kid got soooooo scared and submitted in shame

i love live poker