Ethics: Exposed Cards

It's just a matter of morals...

I personally would tell a person if i could see their cards, as this would make me uncomfortable.

Sure its like refusing free money, but its kinda like if you saw a wallet somewhere, some ppl would take the money and chuck the wallet, and some would actually turn it in.

im also curious what the real rule is. if this is perfectly legal then, in theory, some people are probably attempting to look at your cards, and you might do a mistake from time to time. therefore if you don't do it yourself, you are getting fucked

dont do a mistake floofy

hide your cards well and pretend like u have the nuts every hand, for now its ur only shot

I think I would look at the player's cards in the most obvious way possible until he/she got the point (like leaning over obvious). If they were still stupid enough to not do anything about it then they deserve to lose.

then id ask u if u were funny and before u could answer ur skull would be stomped

You make a mistake at a poker table, you (usually, stupid bad beats ;() lose money. I'd be exploiting this.

i love live poker

half the players at the table are always nit losers who play every day and think they are cool and know everything

meanwhile i straddle and bomb the pot every hand ever street and tell them they are nit faggots and take all the money while being gracious, courteous, and pleasant to the fishes

ez game

we do play poker to make money

but life is not all about that

i still am confused as to why cocktail waitresses freak the fuck out when i tip them 5$ after they give me a water...cant you see im stuck 10k what the fuck does 5$ more matter if i can make one person happy i will

On March 28 2008 06:58 Rekrul wrote: we do play poker to make money but life is not all about that i still am confused as to why cocktail waitresses freak the fuck out when i tip them 5$ after they give me a water...cant you see im stuck 10k what the fuck does 5$ more matter if i can make one person happy i will

gentleman... but there is no friendship in poker

Well it might be legal but it still aint ethical.I mean wtf dont telll me this BS "no feelings/ethics etc etc BS in poker".You should be thinking sober and shouldnt be that egoistic if u wanna be good at something u gotta own people at their best play.I dont see how are u beating someone at their best while u r watching their hole cards.Think about it its just like POTRIPPER in UB ?You r not playing correctly nor thinking correctly its just like stealing money from someone.Dont even try to prove me wrong.Yes the concept of the game is to get as much as money possible from ur opponents but that doesnt mean that u must break all moral and ethical barriers to do so.Seriously i have a lot of respect for u myth but i just cant agree with u on this and i think u should really think about this.

@znb that doesnt mean that he s ur friend wtf.You shouldnt be telling him that u can see his hole cards just for him but for urself also.

I'm with Rek on this one.

I actually think if you don't tell them you're pretty pathetic. You have no obligation to tell them after the first time that session because then they're just being negligent but I dislike people who take advantage of stuff like this. You're playing poker. You aren't supposed to see their cards. He's obviously not trying to show them to you and is making an honest mistake in doing so. He's not going to know he's doing it unless somebody tells him. This isn't him misplaying top pair or overplaying a hand. This is him tilting his fucking cards the wrong way. Play poker. It's not about every edge, every win, every dollar. There is room for ethics and integrity in this game. In life too.

To be honest, my respect level for Myth just went way down.

I would tell them for sure.

And yes it matters if they are regulars or not.
Regulars should know how to look at their cards so screw them.

I def tell the guy if I can see his hole cards...

Other question: it happened to me about 1 month ago during a cash game that we went to river showdown, 3ways.
I had AQ on a board AQT6K.
The players were pretty loose so they all check/call me till river and i obv checked down after the 2 others checked the river with that board.
Then that thing happened: The first guy mucked and then the 2nd guy said "straight" but did not flip the cards over.
But I still flipped my cards after him, showing the 2 pairs even though I thought the other guy had the straight.
And the guy that claimed to have the straight actually said that he did not have the straight after I flipped my 2 pairs. So i had the winning hand.

The question I was wondering is: if for example, I would have mucked my hand after the guy claimed to have a straight. and it happens that after I muck he flips over his hand and that he doesnt have the straight. Can I claim the pot?
I know it is a bit dumb to ask because obv if he claims to have a certain hand, we expect him to show first then muck. But it was in the flow of the game and then when he said "straight" on that board, nobody expected him to lie.

yeah i'd let him know
if he didn't fix it then i'd consciously avoid looking at his cards

i would explain why but basically i agree with rek and freak
i'll just add it's strictly a moral choice for me, so in that sense i have no problem with myth's attitude, just different morals.

it wouldnt occur to me to keep this to myself

After having met rekrul, his posts are way funnier for some reason. Dan likes to have a good time at the table, event hat old korean dude liked you, but you scared him away ha.

it would depend if i like or dislike the person, or if it provokes me sympathy or not.

the rule is to be human

either u think
#1 looking at his cards is ethical and legal
#2 looking at his cards is unethical and legal
#3 looking at his cards is unethical and illegal

everyone who think #1 should be looking at the guy's card no matter how sympathic he is
everyone who think #3 shouldn't be looking at the guy's card no matter how much of an asshole he is

if you think #2, then, i think you shouldnt do something you think is unethical, even if the other person isn't sympathic

On March 28 2008 08:58 Baal wrote: it would depend if i like or dislike the person, or if it provokes me sympathy or not.

for sure
why would anyone be kind to an asshole
I'd obv tell the drunk guy,it would be like stealing from a retarded kid