Looks or Game?

On March 09 2008 10:04 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2008 09:59 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:57 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:53 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:47 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:43 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:39 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:36 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:31 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:25 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:21 Steal City wrote: in the job example society gains, in the poker example, society's effect is not easily known but the effect of the loser can be very bad What does this have any baring on whether or not it's taking advantage of somebody? It doesn't. because when you take advantage of people at the poker table, it doesn't serve a utilitarian purpose. Some ppl say poker helps people think rationally and thus help society. Some say that it actually takes bright minds out of the job market and makes degens suffer more. Idk which is true or which is more potent than the other but to take advantage simply means to use a condition something to your benefit. Abusing someone/something is a different matter but often is done through taking advantage of somebody. This doesn't mean taking advantage is wrong though as most times it's not abusive. So if it serves a utilitarian purpose, taking advantage of people is okay? I never tried to say playing poker helped society, I said I wasn't taking advantage of people by playing poker. And for the record: 10. take advantage of, b. to impose upon, esp. unfairly, as by exploiting a weakness: to take advantage of someone. When did you get to decide what definition I meant? This is what I meant. if you say something you should understand the connotations or lack of connotations. Also if you are saying Floofy is wrong to take advantage then it can be assumed that he is taking advantage in an abusive way. simple as that So it's my fault you misunderstood? Lol? And for the record: a·buse /v. əˈbyuz; n. əˈbyus/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. uh-byooz; n. uh-byoos] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, a·bused, a·bus·ing, noun –verb (used with object) 1. to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority. 2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way: to abuse a horse; to abuse one's eyesight. 3. to speak insultingly, harshly, and unjustly to or about; revile; malign. 4. to commit sexual assault upon. 5. Obsolete. to deceive or mislead. –noun 6. wrong or improper use; misuse: the abuse of privileges. 7. harshly or coarsely insulting language: The officer heaped abuse on his men. 8. bad or improper treatment; maltreatment: The child was subjected to cruel abuse. 9. a corrupt or improper practice or custom: the abuses of a totalitarian regime. 10. rape or sexual assault. These don't relate to my definition. It's your fault you don't udnerstand the words being used and that you are using, not mine. Is it so hard for you to admit fault when you misunderstood and misrepresented ideas? ? what did i misunderstand? you said he was taking advantage in a way that is wrong? No? ad·van·tage /ædˈvæntɪdʒ, -ˈvɑn-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ad-van-tij, -vahn-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -taged, -taging. –noun —Idioms 10. take advantage of, b. to impose upon, esp. unfairly, as by exploiting a weakness: to take advantage of someone. a·buse /v. əˈbyuz; n. əˈbyus/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. uh-byooz; n. uh-byoos] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, a·bused, a·bus·ing, noun –verb (used with object) 1. to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority. 2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way: to abuse a horse; to abuse one's eyesight. 3. to speak insultingly, harshly, and unjustly to or about; revile; malign. 4. to commit sexual assault upon. 5. Obsolete. to deceive or mislead. –noun 6. wrong or improper use; misuse: the abuse of privileges. 7. harshly or coarsely insulting language: The officer heaped abuse on his men. 8. bad or improper treatment; maltreatment: The child was subjected to cruel abuse. 9. a corrupt or improper practice or custom: the abuses of a totalitarian regime. 10. rape or sexual assault. Read them both very carefully. They are unrelated words. LOOOOOOOOOOL i never said they were related. I said that taking advantage of something is not wrong, unless it's abusive. I also said that many forms of abuse are done through taking advantage. TO CITE EXAMPLES IN THOSE EXACT DEFITIONS A rapist takes advantage of his greater strength to rape his victim. A person takes advantage of their authority to abuse power. "10. take advantage of, b. to impose upon, esp. unfairly, as by exploiting a weakness: to take advantage of someone." Is not wrong? You're saying it has to be abusive for it to be wrong, I know that. I'm saying that's not the case and if you think so you clearly don't udnerstand the definition of take advantage of. yes but realize, this is one of many definitions? Is this the 10th one? EVEN THIS ONE SAYS especially unfairly, IE not definitively unfairly. You are the one that doesn't understand the multiple definitions... and how, if you want to express a connotation that isn't always given (as with this example) you need to be more explicit.

Does it matter how many definitions there are? I'm using one. It doesn't matter how many others there are.

And for the record, there are only 2 definitions for take advantage of, hence the b. There are 11 definitions of advantage.

You're trying to argue that it's my fault you didn't understand because the words I used have multiple definitions and it's my fault that it wasn't clear which one I was using. So now for every word I use in every one of my sentences I need to refer you to which dictionary definition I'm using or else it's my fault you didn't understand despite how the word is being used.

Sure, if you do the same thing. After every word you use in a sentence I want you to number which definition you are using in brackets next to it. Otherwise I can't possibly understand what you're saying and it's your fault for me not knowing how to comprehend sentences.

On March 09 2008 10:07 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2008 09:48 Floofy wrote:   On March 08 2008 15:20 Floofy wrote: can someone explain me how having a relationship with her would abuse her? i think she would have a lot to gain from me. you are right 4 years ago i was a lot less mature but i don't see why she would prefer an immature guy i was kinda looking for younger chick cuz: #1 chikcs like older guys #2 im unexperienced, if my chick had mad experience it would be akward the only way it would be abuse is if, im actually not really serious about the whole thing ok stop arguing forever about what i said, this is what i said i believe most chicks prefer having an older guy, for several reasons: #1 well hmm they got cars n money n alcool etc. im not saying theyre hoes but its cool to have someone like that over a broke looser high school kid. #2 they are more mature. chicks like mature guy more than immature people their age. theres a reason u rarely see a younger guy with an older chick i also prefer having younger chick because: #1 well i think its better if i get with a chick inexpereinced sexually for obvious reasons. experienced chicks are turned off by virgins big time. #2 i dont want a chick more mature than myself cuz that will turn em off and i will have trouble being alpha lol. i never said i wanted someone not ready for a relationship. find a post where i said that. the chick posted an add on a dating site where she obv wants one. i chatted with her, and she seems mature and we have good convos going on. i remmeber when i was 16 i def wanted a relationship, and chicks are more mature faster than guys. the only way i would be taking advantage of her would be if i get her emotionnaly involved while not being serious about the relationship, like fayth said. and i never said i was going to do this. anyways this have nothing to do with her age, doing that would be wrong with any1 Yes, you're going after somebody who is immature and inexperienced because you don't think people who are mature, grown up, experienced people are going to like you. This is the exact thing I'm condemning. You need to grow up yourself before you start looking for anything. Any you shouldn't be using a young girl to help you grow up.

I think he's just finding things he likes about the girl. It's definitely not wrong but it is a bad attitude if you were to limit yourself in this way. Trying to do something with this girl though definitely doesn't seem wrong. If it doesn't work out, don't try to go after younger girls just because of this necessarily. In fact, maybe you should go after MILFs lol.

The truth is, the first time you have sex, i think for most ppl it doesn't go that well and is awkward. No biggie, just get it out of the way and get comfortable. So what if the chick is 25 and very experienced and tells you to get lost afterwards. Just that one time will help you a lot at getting multiple tries the second time around.

And what the fuck does "especially unfairly, IE not definitively unfairly" even mean? I don't even t ihnk you know what you're talking about anymore and are again, just trying to be right.

why do you think a relationship between 2 inexperienced people is that harmfull for them?
why would it be good for me and bad for her?

i think experienced girls are looking for experienced guys, and inexperienced girls might be looking for guys that arent too experienced

On March 09 2008 10:15 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2008 10:07 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:48 Floofy wrote:   On March 08 2008 15:20 Floofy wrote: can someone explain me how having a relationship with her would abuse her? i think she would have a lot to gain from me. you are right 4 years ago i was a lot less mature but i don't see why she would prefer an immature guy i was kinda looking for younger chick cuz: #1 chikcs like older guys #2 im unexperienced, if my chick had mad experience it would be akward the only way it would be abuse is if, im actually not really serious about the whole thing ok stop arguing forever about what i said, this is what i said i believe most chicks prefer having an older guy, for several reasons: #1 well hmm they got cars n money n alcool etc. im not saying theyre hoes but its cool to have someone like that over a broke looser high school kid. #2 they are more mature. chicks like mature guy more than immature people their age. theres a reason u rarely see a younger guy with an older chick i also prefer having younger chick because: #1 well i think its better if i get with a chick inexpereinced sexually for obvious reasons. experienced chicks are turned off by virgins big time. #2 i dont want a chick more mature than myself cuz that will turn em off and i will have trouble being alpha lol. i never said i wanted someone not ready for a relationship. find a post where i said that. the chick posted an add on a dating site where she obv wants one. i chatted with her, and she seems mature and we have good convos going on. i remmeber when i was 16 i def wanted a relationship, and chicks are more mature faster than guys. the only way i would be taking advantage of her would be if i get her emotionnaly involved while not being serious about the relationship, like fayth said. and i never said i was going to do this. anyways this have nothing to do with her age, doing that would be wrong with any1 Yes, you're going after somebody who is immature and inexperienced because you don't think people who are mature, grown up, experienced people are going to like you. This is the exact thing I'm condemning. You need to grow up yourself before you start looking for anything. Any you shouldn't be using a young girl to help you grow up. I think he's just finding things he likes about the girl. It's definitely not wrong but it is a bad attitude if you were to limit yourself in this way. Trying to do something with this girl though definitely doesn't seem wrong. If it doesn't work out, don't try to go after younger girls just because of this necessarily. In fact, maybe you should go after MILFs lol. The truth is, the first time you have sex, i think for most ppl it doesn't go that well and is awkward. No biggie, just get it out of the way and get comfortable. So what if the chick is 25 and very experienced and tells you to get lost afterwards. Just that one time will help you a lot at getting multiple tries the second time around.

He doesn't need to try and get laid, he needs to grow up. Being friends with them and getting know them and learning about them and learning about yourself is all fine.

But when you're getting to know them because you're trying to get experience with girls, get laid, get kissed or whatever there is something wrong. You should be trying to grow up and mature, not use some girl to help you grow up.

Do it on your own, be friends with whoever you want but certainly don't use people just because you think it'll help you grow up.

On March 09 2008 10:11 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2008 10:04 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:59 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:57 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:53 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:47 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:43 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:39 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:36 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:31 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:25 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:21 Steal City wrote: in the job example society gains, in the poker example, society's effect is not easily known but the effect of the loser can be very bad What does this have any baring on whether or not it's taking advantage of somebody? It doesn't. because when you take advantage of people at the poker table, it doesn't serve a utilitarian purpose. Some ppl say poker helps people think rationally and thus help society. Some say that it actually takes bright minds out of the job market and makes degens suffer more. Idk which is true or which is more potent than the other but to take advantage simply means to use a condition something to your benefit. Abusing someone/something is a different matter but often is done through taking advantage of somebody. This doesn't mean taking advantage is wrong though as most times it's not abusive. So if it serves a utilitarian purpose, taking advantage of people is okay? I never tried to say playing poker helped society, I said I wasn't taking advantage of people by playing poker. And for the record: 10. take advantage of, b. to impose upon, esp. unfairly, as by exploiting a weakness: to take advantage of someone. When did you get to decide what definition I meant? This is what I meant. if you say something you should understand the connotations or lack of connotations. Also if you are saying Floofy is wrong to take advantage then it can be assumed that he is taking advantage in an abusive way. simple as that So it's my fault you misunderstood? Lol? And for the record: a·buse /v. əˈbyuz; n. əˈbyus/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. uh-byooz; n. uh-byoos] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, a·bused, a·bus·ing, noun –verb (used with object) 1. to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority. 2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way: to abuse a horse; to abuse one's eyesight. 3. to speak insultingly, harshly, and unjustly to or about; revile; malign. 4. to commit sexual assault upon. 5. Obsolete. to deceive or mislead. –noun 6. wrong or improper use; misuse: the abuse of privileges. 7. harshly or coarsely insulting language: The officer heaped abuse on his men. 8. bad or improper treatment; maltreatment: The child was subjected to cruel abuse. 9. a corrupt or improper practice or custom: the abuses of a totalitarian regime. 10. rape or sexual assault. These don't relate to my definition. It's your fault you don't udnerstand the words being used and that you are using, not mine. Is it so hard for you to admit fault when you misunderstood and misrepresented ideas? ? what did i misunderstand? you said he was taking advantage in a way that is wrong? No? ad·van·tage /ædˈvæntɪdʒ, -ˈvɑn-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ad-van-tij, -vahn-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -taged, -taging. –noun —Idioms 10. take advantage of, b. to impose upon, esp. unfairly, as by exploiting a weakness: to take advantage of someone. a·buse /v. əˈbyuz; n. əˈbyus/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. uh-byooz; n. uh-byoos] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, a·bused, a·bus·ing, noun –verb (used with object) 1. to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority. 2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way: to abuse a horse; to abuse one's eyesight. 3. to speak insultingly, harshly, and unjustly to or about; revile; malign. 4. to commit sexual assault upon. 5. Obsolete. to deceive or mislead. –noun 6. wrong or improper use; misuse: the abuse of privileges. 7. harshly or coarsely insulting language: The officer heaped abuse on his men. 8. bad or improper treatment; maltreatment: The child was subjected to cruel abuse. 9. a corrupt or improper practice or custom: the abuses of a totalitarian regime. 10. rape or sexual assault. Read them both very carefully. They are unrelated words. LOOOOOOOOOOL i never said they were related. I said that taking advantage of something is not wrong, unless it's abusive. I also said that many forms of abuse are done through taking advantage. TO CITE EXAMPLES IN THOSE EXACT DEFITIONS A rapist takes advantage of his greater strength to rape his victim. A person takes advantage of their authority to abuse power. "10. take advantage of, b. to impose upon, esp. unfairly, as by exploiting a weakness: to take advantage of someone." Is not wrong? You're saying it has to be abusive for it to be wrong, I know that. I'm saying that's not the case and if you think so you clearly don't udnerstand the definition of take advantage of. yes but realize, this is one of many definitions? Is this the 10th one? EVEN THIS ONE SAYS especially unfairly, IE not definitively unfairly. You are the one that doesn't understand the multiple definitions... and how, if you want to express a connotation that isn't always given (as with this example) you need to be more explicit. Does it matter how many definitions there are? I'm using one. It doesn't matter how many others there are. And for the record, there are only 2 definitions for take advantage of, hence the b. There are 11 definitions of advantage. You're trying to argue that it's my fault you didn't understand because the words I used have multiple definitions and it's my fault that it wasn't clear which one I was using. So now for every word I use in every one of my sentences I need to refer you to which dictionary definition I'm using or else it's my fault you didn't understand despite how the word is being used. Sure, if you do the same thing. After every word you use in a sentence I want you to number which definition you are using in brackets next to it. Otherwise I can't possibly understand what you're saying and it's your fault for me not knowing how to comprehend sentences.

I'm saying you said Floofy was taking advantage of the girl and that he was wrong to do so. For both to be true, me must be abusing the girl in some way. Then you are trying to say that taking advantage of doesn't have anything to do with abuse and yet you cite the defition which has the word "unfairly" in it.... ROFL

I think you just don't understand yourself ;p

On March 09 2008 10:15 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: And what the fuck does "especially unfairly, IE not definitively unfairly" even mean? I don't even t ihnk you know what you're talking about anymore and are again, just trying to be right.

esp unfairly = often unfairly but not always

definitively unfairly = always unfairly

ROFL

On March 09 2008 10:16 Floofy wrote: why do you think a relationship between 2 inexperienced people is that harmfull for them? why would it be good for me and bad for her? i think experienced girls are looking for experienced guys, and inexperienced girls might be looking for guys that arent too experienced

Because a 16 year old has other things to worry about than some awkward dude trying to get with her. You shouldn't be being that awkward dude. You should be letting them grow upa nd do the things 16 year olds do. Just because a 16 year old can and will engage in that sort of thing doesn't mean it's good for them or a wise decision on their part and they don't know any better because of their lack of life experience and maturity. You shouldn't be instigating something that isn't good for somebody. It's just wrong.

On March 09 2008 10:19 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2008 10:15 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: And what the fuck does "especially unfairly, IE not definitively unfairly" even mean? I don't even t ihnk you know what you're talking about anymore and are again, just trying to be right. esp unfairly = often unfairly but not always definitively unfairly = always unfairly ROFL

es·pe·cial·ly /ɪˈspɛʃəli/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-spesh-uh-lee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adverb
particularly; exceptionally; markedly:


Yeah, no, that isn't what especially unfairly means.

EDIT: And jsut because you probably will continue to not get it:

un·fair /ʌnˈfɛər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uhn-fair] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. not fair; not conforming to approved standards, as of justice, honesty, or ethics: an unfair law; an unfair wage policy.
2. disproportionate; undue; beyond what is proper or fitting:

so particularly or exceptionally beyond what is proper or fitting.

Yep, that means often but not always.

On March 09 2008 10:18 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2008 10:15 Steal City wrote:   On March 09 2008 10:07 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:   On March 09 2008 09:48 Floofy wrote:   On March 08 2008 15:20 Floofy wrote: can someone explain me how having a relationship with her would abuse her? i think she would have a lot to gain from me. you are right 4 years ago i was a lot less mature but i don't see why she would prefer an immature guy i was kinda looking for younger chick cuz: #1 chikcs like older guys #2 im unexperienced, if my chick had mad experience it would be akward the only way it would be abuse is if, im actually not really serious about the whole thing ok stop arguing forever about what i said, this is what i said i believe most chicks prefer having an older guy, for several reasons: #1 well hmm they got cars n money n alcool etc. im not saying theyre hoes but its cool to have someone like that over a broke looser high school kid. #2 they are more mature. chicks like mature guy more than immature people their age. theres a reason u rarely see a younger guy with an older chick i also prefer having younger chick because: #1 well i think its better if i get with a chick inexpereinced sexually for obvious reasons. experienced chicks are turned off by virgins big time. #2 i dont want a chick more mature than myself cuz that will turn em off and i will have trouble being alpha lol. i never said i wanted someone not ready for a relationship. find a post where i said that. the chick posted an add on a dating site where she obv wants one. i chatted with her, and she seems mature and we have good convos going on. i remmeber when i was 16 i def wanted a relationship, and chicks are more mature faster than guys. the only way i would be taking advantage of her would be if i get her emotionnaly involved while not being serious about the relationship, like fayth said. and i never said i was going to do this. anyways this have nothing to do with her age, doing that would be wrong with any1 Yes, you're going after somebody who is immature and inexperienced because you don't think people who are mature, grown up, experienced people are going to like you. This is the exact thing I'm condemning. You need to grow up yourself before you start looking for anything. Any you shouldn't be using a young girl to help you grow up. I think he's just finding things he likes about the girl. It's definitely not wrong but it is a bad attitude if you were to limit yourself in this way. Trying to do something with this girl though definitely doesn't seem wrong. If it doesn't work out, don't try to go after younger girls just because of this necessarily. In fact, maybe you should go after MILFs lol. The truth is, the first time you have sex, i think for most ppl it doesn't go that well and is awkward. No biggie, just get it out of the way and get comfortable. So what if the chick is 25 and very experienced and tells you to get lost afterwards. Just that one time will help you a lot at getting multiple tries the second time around. He doesn't need to try and get laid, he needs to grow up. Being friends with them and getting know them and learning about them and learning about yourself is all fine. But when you're getting to know them because you're trying to get experience with girls, get laid, get kissed or whatever there is something wrong. You should be trying to grow up and mature, not use some girl to help you grow up. Do it on your own, be friends with whoever you want but certainly don't use people just because you think it'll help you grow up.

part of maturing is becoming sexual. Floofy is afraid of being a 50 year old virgin and if he doesn't take these steps that's what he'll likely be. It's very normal to do this and having a sexual drive is not taking advantage of someone in a bad or even unnatural way. Hopefully, you both can grow from the experience. In fact, chances are, that's exactly what will happen if you are both mature enough for said relations.

Sex has nothing to do with being mature.