Looks or Game?

well its difficult to pick up a chick when u got nowhere to isolate her to
you cant just fuck her in public washroom or something lol

and right now i look clearly below average, i don't want to handicap myself. i know with some work i can be average or even over average(work out..)

and on the flip side, girls aren't looking for some random guy to fuck (not the same as not wanting to fuck). they want someone who has their shit together that can provide for her. they only got 2 seeds and can't be shooting em off everywhere so they need a "big, strong" guy who can ward off the enemy and go kill the mastadon and put food on the table. how you carry yourself and what you wear is actually more important for guys b/c that is actually what girls care about. status and confidence. basically i think you have it backwards.

you really think girls would rather take some bum w/ model looks over a guy who isn't gross wearing clean clothes that fit w/ a $10k watch on his arm?

No, it's not exactly a literal example, I'm just trying to get the point across that confidence matters way more than appearances, and money can only buy you so much confidence.

rikd i think you got it wrong

a guy who looks good, knows about seduction and is confident, theres no doubt he can get girls easily and fast. his money and status barely matter here
an average dude with clean clothes, but knows shit about seduction and lack self confidence, i tell you he can be lonely for a long time even if he got a 50K bank account

Floofy I saw the pic you posted of yourself after getting a haircut, you look fine, maybe change your shirt but whatever, it's a minor issue. The problem is all in your head, you don't need to read stupid fucking books about "how to seduce women" or retarded shit like that to go out and meet a girl. You don't need to look like Brad Pitt and wear designer clothes. You just have to have some self confidence, appear as an outwardly interesting and fun guy, look like you can take care of your own business and finding a woman should be no problem.

And Doc

we all agree confidence is important
but the only way i can truly gain confidence is to actually experience some sucess with women. so i need to do stuff that will help me get that sucess....

If you think there's some direct correlation between what your appearance and how confident you feel, I think you already have the wrong mindset about what self confidence truly is.

IMO there are only 2 things that matter: "Do I look acceptable or do I not". If you do, you should feel perfectly confident and nothing else should matter.

You want to do stuff which will get you success with women? Approach them.

lol "approach them" I sound like some stalker but I think you know what I mean, just gotta put yourself out there and start experimenting. Every failed attempt can be a learning experience for you, and the more you put yourself out there, the more confident you'll become about every future attempt.

btw in case its not obvious, i am not a very social guy. approaching a total stranger women and starting a convo that will last over 5 minute is a challenge for me. this is why right now i mostly approach womens i know a little, for example, are in the same class as me. then i can run ok convos, like 10 minutes, but it quickly dies. this is why im reading books -.-

anyways i am going to try this stuff....
i need to stop being a keyboard jockey hehe

well floofy you can practice this kind of thing on pretty much anyone. I don't suggest going up to total strangers lol. And you can practice being confident and meeting new people without the intention of wanting to get into their pants, so just keep trying it on girls you share classes with and even guys (in a totally non-homoexual manner) simply so you get more and more comfortable with meeting new people and being confident while doing it and engaging them in an interesting way.

An interesting thing to add, I recommend every one read "The Game" by Neill Strauss. Some of you may have read it already, some may have not even heard of it, but basically its a book written by a guy who became one of the best "Pick-up Artists" ever known. It details how he was some average scrub who finds himself in a completely different world, learning how to turn the art of seducing a woman into a mechanised step-by-step process, and he rose to become the greatest in the pick-up community.

Personally I don't believe in treating seduction as a "game", to me people are real and have feelings and playing games can only lead to hurt emotions etc., BUT my opinion is neither here nor there. The book is really really enjoyable to read, if anyone wants to they can PM me for a copy.

i dont think anyone on this website has never heard of this book

LOL @ "isolating" chix

ROFL

yo i'm "isolating" this chick so we can, yknow, "talk" cuz that requires "isolation"

On March 02 2008 06:41 sawseech wrote: LOL @ "isolating" chix ROFL yo i'm "isolating" this chick so we can, yknow, "talk" cuz that requires "isolation"

the dummy's guide to raping bitches?

On March 02 2008 06:41 sawseech wrote: LOL @ "isolating" chix ROFL yo i'm "isolating" this chick so we can, yknow, "talk" cuz that requires "isolation"

isolate just means basicelly getting her in your place or at her place or whatever reasonable place to have sex at
you won't just have sex in public in front of her friends...

and no, you dont isolate to talk, you isolate to fuck...
you isolate once shes given obvious signs shes in a sexual state turned on by you

yea u need to get in an alone environment with a girl bc unless she's a real slut she wont physically escalate or even talk on a personal level (past relationships / family history ... the first date introduction get-to-know each other stuff) in front of her friends

also when you do get her into an individual group with u, this could just be going to the front porch at some party alone with you, you can set up for easy location changes which builds comfort and trust which is required for sex

she'll obv feel more self conscious in front of her friends

On March 02 2008 07:58 Feiticeira wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2008 06:41 sawseech wrote: LOL @ "isolating" chix ROFL yo i'm "isolating" this chick so we can, yknow, "talk" cuz that requires "isolation" the dummy's guide to raping bitches?

why is turning on a chick, isolating her, having conscentual sex with her, "raping"
americans and UK ppl have such fucked up mentality
i blame social conditionning

btw, you do want to isolate first just to talk floofy, you can isolate within a bar, at a house party, on the street, whatever

you don't want to go to a place you can have sex at that fast bc you wont be able to venue change to build trust + usually that place is very private so since you haven't have the chance to build up enough trust/comfort it's asking a lot from her and she'll likely eject, in fact, this might be like reverse screening where u end up with only sluts and psychologically messed up girls

also going to such a private place is like saying you want to have sex with her... you hardly know her... you haven't been in iso so you haven't had a 1 on 1 chat...

maybe that's enough for you and her looks alone passed ur screening tests but this is a quality of a guy who can't get many chicks, she knows that and will be more interested in a guy who carefully selects on personality too

i think after u have a gf you too will want to find someone that doesn't just pass the looks test