Wrap hand I lost

Submitted by : Jelle

PokerStars Game #14057814219: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/12/23 - 20:16:27 (ET)
Table 'Gefion III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Kramer5925 ($61.50 in chips)
Seat 2: andyhart ($46 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($50.20 in chips)
Seat 4: JK_grinder_ ($42.30 in chips)
Seat 5: 23:05 ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 6: rabbitten ($104.85 in chips)
Kramer5925: posts small blind $0.25
andyhart: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Hero : raises $1.25 to $1.75
JK_grinder_: calls $1.75
23:05: folds
rabbitten: folds
rabbitten leaves the table
Kramer5925: calls $1.50
andyhart: calls $1.25

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $7.00)

   
Kramer5925: bets $5
andyhart: folds
Hero : raises $10 to $15
JK_grinder_: folds
Kramer5925: raises $36.65 to $51.65
Hero : calls $33.45 and is all-in

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $103.90)

   

River (Pot : $103.90)

   

Showdown
Kramer5925: shows (a full house, Tens full of Deuces)
Hero : mucks hand
Kramer5925 collected $100.90 from pot

Summary
Total pot $103.90 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Kramer5925 (small blind) showed and won ($100.90) with a full house, Tens full of Deuces
Seat 2: andyhart (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Hero mucked
Seat 4: JK_grinder_ folded on the Flop
Seat 5: 23:05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rabbitten (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

yea he had quite a lot of your outs covered but you had a wrap with bdfd, this is fine I think

ya ur screwed vs his hand, but after having raised (which is fine), u have odds to call vs the range he's shoving on u with

ur hand is a shit situation and I think u should just call flop and see what develops

I also have no experience so my "reads" are often doing more harm than good.. it's tempting to go immediately back to hold'em whenever you notice that you suck

in this situation I really underestimated his hand so badly when he made that lead bet, cuz in holdem the people I play often do that with crappy hands and checkraise their good ones

I wouldn't raise this flop - when people lead here in general they have KT min, and often a set - and are never folding the flop.

hmm true and i spose he didnt even pot it so ur getting a v good price, calling flop prob is better

I'd flat on the flop here.

you are 26%
this is what happens when you get it in in these spots, you get it in vs top 2 or a set or a better wrap (the AQJ)
this is not good, play it slower, see what develops as travis said

thx all

u could make an argument for calling behind and seeing what peels on the turn since your equity isnt that good here. against two pair your play is ok. but against a set you not so much. and since you dont know which he is doing this with you are a dog to his range.