2nd nut boat omaha

this is for my roommate

easy call? // if it is how much does he need to be repushing for for it to be a possible fold? its not really bad beat post but if its standard snap call mod can close asap



Submitted by : NewBornBaby

PokerStars Game #13865244150: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/12/14 - 21:46:05 (ET)
Table 'Kiangsu' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: PokerMom411 ($101.60 in chips)
Seat 2: BadBeatsRus2 ($233.15 in chips)
Seat 3: SpecialOL1 ($694.80 in chips)
Seat 4: DyersEve88 ($214.60 in chips)
Seat 5: NewBornBaby ($423 in chips)
Seat 6: goran111111 ($227.50 in chips)
PokerMom411: posts small blind $1
BadBeatsRus2: posts big blind $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to NewBornBaby
SpecialOL1: folds
DyersEve88: calls $2
NewBornBaby : calls $2
goran111111: calls $2
PokerMom411: folds
BadBeatsRus2: checks

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $9.00)

   
PokerMom411 leaves the table
BadBeatsRus2: checks
DyersEve88: checks
NewBornBaby : bets $8
goran111111: folds
BadBeatsRus2: folds
DyersEve88: calls $8

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $25.00)

   
boazz2 joins the table at seat #1
DyersEve88: checks
NewBornBaby : checks

River (Pot : $25.00)

   
DyersEve88: bets $23.80
NewBornBaby : raises $52.20 to $76
DyersEve88: raises $128.60 to $204.60 and is all-in
NewBornBaby : calls $128.60

Showdown
DyersEve88: shows (a straight flush, Eight to Queen)
NewBornBaby : mucks hand
DyersEve88 collected $431.20 from pot

Summary
Total pot $434.20 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: PokerMom411 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: BadBeatsRus2 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: SpecialOL1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DyersEve88 showed and won ($431.20) with a straight flush, Eight to Queen
Seat 5: NewBornBaby mucked
Seat 6: goran111111 (button) folded on the Flop

I'd raise preflop.

River all comes down to reads, there are plenty of players at 1/2plo i would just coldcall river, and even then expect to lose a fair amount, and there are are a reasonable amount i'd raise/fold vs. There are vvv few players who i'd raise on river AND call a repush, but there are a few that are borderline braindead.

I don't really know anything about dyers, but i'd probably flat call the river, or raise/fold if hes bad. I think against again most players who haven't shown they are a moron yet, you are chopping at best when they repush on you, and i've never seen anyone bluff in spots like this.

agree with twistedecho, preflop raise is definitely preferred here

vs most playes here i'd probably minraise that river, and re-evaluate if they pot over that. maybe fold tho




as played.... uh I agree with echo again i guess. bitch of a hand.

i dont play 1/2 plo but in 25/50 or up against a competent player i minraise river and pitch immediately to a reshove. there are 2 combinations of straightflush and 1 boat higher than yours.

also agree w/ potting pre, because if you get a flop like this in a multiway most of the time you are potting the flop and praying for a fold and folding to any aggression or a ton of bad turns which really blows. Its always a good idea to pot it preflop if you have a hand that flops very well like this one.

Agree with Twistedecho. Have to raise this PF 100% & Pot this Flop.

i think when you get to the river here, calling this shove is almost always a losing play, but i can't always fold since i see some really random and idiotic plays. if he's competent i think its a snap fold, expecting to see QJ, especially since hands with QJ in them are so popular in wrap type of hands, as well as people playing big cards.

i normally call the river on his first bet, i'd be more worried of QJ here. Don't understand the reraise, because if he doesn't have it he's not calling or betting out for that matter, betting the pot isn't quite exactly a vb for flush of any kind, you have to respect a pot bet on the river, if you don't have the nuts. I can only see newbornbaby making this play exactly the same way if he had QJ, nothing less. In addition, you have some great advice above me in the previous comments on how to extract more information about where you are, and lose less $z that you normally would. side noteimo, villain played it perfectly, bootiful check on the turn.

i like the check behind on the turn. i dont think any hand he plays this way will pay you off on the river that doesnt have you beat. i dont see much value in raising. its pretty obvious you have a full house when you raise.