1/3 game line check

Hey guys,

Sittin at the Wynn the other night, was literlaly just about to get up, short bought 150, was at ~300 fast

ok so tables playin like online pre its $6 from most.

I like this, so i just go 6 utg with T8dd (is this just a mistake and fold pre T8dd 1/2 live game 9 handed) - im relearning live

ok so flop 975ss, me T8dd.

I lead 17 into 21. bigblind calls.

turn Js, i get str8 he flushes ok here i bombed 50.
he calls.

River, he waits 5 seconds, checks, and looks away for 30 seconds. river = 9.

board 579ss,Js,9x

he checks to me, i bet $98 he jams for like $30 more.

i call he has A6ss obv. really felt like I overplayed this hand.

after thinking long about the hand, i feel like turn is just check check (altho love getting value from that spade + str8 draw)..

and bet fold like $45 on river, can you guys tell me how you would play the scenario.

most the time it goes to pre, just fold T8dd utg 100b effective ? most table had 200-600

don't include results as it incentives me to give you biased advice.

i would check back river

uhh find a new game and you can fold that pre

also reading the hh

1. you can save urself 30 on the end just folding imo but I don't like the rest of the hand anyways

2. This is just not the way to win in these low stakes, big rake, live games. There is a rake drop preflop in the game i usually play so it should technically be a dead game no point to ever even raise a hand like 108 pre and steal really, I assume vegas is not that retarded but still in these games I generally just play for value; making most of my money by making better folds and better value bets than the other players in the game. I do bluff but it is selective and I am not necessarily trying to bluff in order just to balance or whatever really ever. I obviously make my valuebets in such a way that I could be bluffing but not to say I would be. Anyways trying to plow and having a great redline at the heavy expense of blue is not the way to go imo (while in general HU and vs goods i think it is).

even bombing the turn here doesn't make much sense Neilly what are you trying to do. Guy called pot on the flop. He raises 2 pair, straight or sets at least some of the time but calls all draws. So on the turn his range is something like 9x, A shitton of flushes, not a ton else. The main thing you are getting value from that we might not be able to heavily discount is J9 2pair (but even that we can discount cause some offsuit combos may fold pre). That is a few combos. So you pot turn and get called ok, Now the river pairs. So if he had been flatting sets or 2pair on the flop (the few hands you beat and might be able to get turn value from) or J9 he is now boated but you bet big again anyways. He shoves and I think it has to be very spewy to call off the rest

I guess you were hoping he had a pair or 9x with the As? only As9x can you possibly 3ball here i think

I don't say any of this insultingly and maybe I'm just being nitty; low stakes live will do that to you. My first impression if I saw this hand go down at my table though would be online player overplaying his hand. Live low stakes 9 handed can be so loose in some ways but extremely tight (or at least certain actions are very unlikely. I.e. Light 4bets pre, mutiway cbets with air on certain boards from a certain demographic) in others. I just know your better than the players in this game so wouldn't expect the spew.

I think you are right Trax.. you can just muck all these hands and play tight poker.. theirs far to many people willing to call/3bet bad preflop that you should just have a stronger value oriented range

love it need all the live cg help i can get im solid online cg and mtt live and online but my live cg sux it seems - small shit, should get good soon at it.

k im gonna just fold this and play IP with it vs light openers + limpers..

Itotally suck at fr cg hahaha when it goes 6max i always crush, i should probably go to like hard rock at 5am and smaller rooms and take advantage of that.

but i need to get good at FR

i felt i spewed here - i really didn't like the way i played the hand in hindsight,and i really wanted to have u guys level me on the forum for fucking this hand up so bad from each street.

i would appreciate some more critism, are you opening TJdd UTG ??

I toyed with a limp strategy in the first 3 spots (TJss, A5ss etc and folding to even $12 pre unless we are very deep etc)

does anyone ever employ a limp fold strategy with these or is it burning $ playing like that with hands like QK AT 22-55 J8ss is prolly as wide as i was doing that with. I did that like 2 days of the 5 live days so far

u guys just pretty much wait for nice spots in position with like Ax and 9T+ vs fish? and 3bet like AJ+ and value cut them?

10 8 suited i believe is good enough to call preflop. it players super well multiway and you know someone else is going to come in behind you. even if its raised it should still go multiway.

i dont mind limp because raising inflates the pot. not to mention you have 8 other people behind you to act. raising here is spewing your chips away because soooooo many times you are getting in against better hands in position.

and yes, you butchered and overvalued your hand way too much. and its not really your fault either. after black friday i played a lot more live and made a lot of mistakes. i used to play 6max 16-20 tables online, and when you go to full ring live its totally different. i cant tell you how many times i blew away 1-2k playing 2/5 trying to be 'aggro'

well after about a year i started to learn the value of hands in a live full ring game. This is something that is mostly learned by putting in the hours and seeing the hands yourself. (probably one of the more important aspect of live you need to adjust coming from online imo anyway)

thx Johnny def makes a lot of sense to limp call multiway instead of raise, ya the hands butchered for sure. thanks for your input

On June 19 2015 06:26 JohnnyBologna wrote: 10 8 suited i believe is good enough to call preflop. it players super well multiway and you know someone else is going to come in behind you. even if its raised it should still go multiway. i dont mind limp because raising inflates the pot. not to mention you have 8 other people behind you to act. raising here is spewing your chips away because soooooo many times you are getting in against better hands in position. and yes, you butchered and overvalued your hand way too much. and its not really your fault either. after black friday i played a lot more live and made a lot of mistakes. i used to play 6max 16-20 tables online, and when you go to full ring live its totally different. i cant tell you how many times i blew away 1-2k playing 2/5 trying to be 'aggro' well after about a year i started to learn the value of hands in a live full ring game. This is something that is mostly learned by putting in the hours and seeing the hands yourself. (probably one of the more important aspect of live you need to adjust coming from online imo anyway)

Just throwing this out there Johnny. I you are limping 10-8s UTG you are going to be pretty dam wide with a large UTG vpip. Now you have to make some attempts to balance your nuts with your limps. Just folding is alright, I'm not making a killing limping 10-8 UTG; pretty bad reverse implied odds with that hand which becomes a factor almost as important as your true odds when it's 9 handed with big mutiway pots where when you flop hard you get one upped.

Could I be +ev with 810s UTG? Probably but it costs me virtually nothing to just fold

its live lol. my wide vpip is low compared to everyone else at the table.

There are a good amount of live fish that are straight nits. Very tight pre. I seem to get a few at most tables

Edit.

Stop bothering to try to get cute. No reason for it people will give you money. Nit up EP aggro up LP and win monies

On June 25 2015 15:05 NighTLesS15 wrote: Edit. Stop bothering to try to get cute. No reason for it people will give you money. Nit up EP aggro up LP and win monies

did this tonite. worked well. cut out the fps. great advice.

Yeah its best advice anyone ever gave me for live. I'm not a great player by any means, but spend more hours with that and i'm guessing you will learn some spots you can get a little fancy, but it will be at higher limits with reads. Just keep on that grind 1/3 ABC with a little position aggro and you will do quite well. Good luck yo

this hand is a clear limp in a live passive-preflop game

if you are playing a LIVE cash game where PPL ARE FOLDING TO 6 dollar raise then

1) just play on bovada
2) FIND A DIFFERNT FUCKING TABLE.

in all the YEARS of playing live i have never raised less than 10-15 on a 1/2, 2/2 table and have ALWAYS gotten MUCH action what you are proposing is so insane and foreign to me *mindblown

edit: oh its neilly