Stars plo bot ring

All you guys grinding ring game PLO may want to check this out. Benjamin, Tian, any refunds?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...ands-huge-winners-1538509/index3.html

I got a $39.74 refund
I'm glad stars made it right

254$ !

I got two refunds about 2 weeks from each other.. one for $30 and one for $60

I got $62.75.

Those mentioned accounts had been playing for quite a while.

anyone else wonder how many more bots like this are out there?

i think that dude botse posting here must have been a bot. how else grind micros 24/7 for years straight

plus he had bot in his name

no usopenjh hh's posted today. coincidence?

The only way to combat bots in this day and age is to incentivize them to hold up an honest network using the current wasted energies used to police them and used to manage player complaints/fears.

So crazy.

I am not the most informed on it but so much value stolen away on lockdown boards and big river decisions with knowledge of dead cards if the bots were colluding.

So much EV just drained away from any reg attempting to make a living (esp supernovas) at low to midstakes. It makes me sick knowing how it has effected some of my friends.

Eliminating HUD usage will eliminate bots

That's pretty much the only solution.

On June 13 2015 15:05 uiCk wrote: Eliminating HUD usage will eliminate bots That's pretty much the only solution.

Unfortunately its not a solution. All you are doing is taking the fairness away from people's that won't cheat or don't have access to the most sophisticated software/hardware.

Think about it, we complain because some people use huds, but when you take huds away...who get's to use them? Only the top winners

On June 13 2015 09:24 RiKD wrote: So crazy. I am not the most informed on it but so much value stolen away on lockdown boards and big river decisions with knowledge of dead cards if the bots were colluding. So much EV just drained away from any reg attempting to make a living (esp supernovas) at low to midstakes. It makes me sick knowing how it has effected some of my friends.

The collusion part makes me wanna puke the most. Bots taking money out of the poker economy is terrible but straight up cheating is on another level of scumbaggery.

Rise against the machines!!

On June 13 2015 15:05 uiCk wrote: Eliminating HUD usage will eliminate bots That's pretty much the only solution.

Eliminating datamining / ability to download HH is the solution (at least for now). Eliminating common HUD's will just give those people with custom specialized software a larger edge

how can they refund player a good chunck of money
if they probably cash out on weekly base.
so they make 1 million profit and ps refund poorly just
to look cool with that security leak.
don t they think that they will resigned and play under another ip adress?
so what s the fucking point to still grind online if there are team of professional scumbag online..
when it s not bots it s either multi account or team.

how about already to stop transferring money between player and the cash out should only proceed under the same player involved...would.be more easy to froze money and get legal action.
they stole money from honnest grinder. they should go to the jail... fuck you poker star you are so weak

On June 14 2015 13:32 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2015 15:05 uiCk wrote: Eliminating HUD usage will eliminate bots That's pretty much the only solution. Eliminating datamining / ability to download HH is the solution (at least for now). Eliminating common HUD's will just give those people with custom specialized software a larger edge

The bots scrape the data (such as board, holecards) directly from the screen. They don't use HH. The idea isn't so much banning HUDs as it is making it impossible for them to work. If it is impossible for a hud to work on your site then it is probably impossible for a bot to play there as well, at least using conventional methods.

What you describe Tom actually makes the problem a lot worse. If the players can't download or store their hand histories they have no way of reviewing play for anomalies and this leaves the security onus entirely on the sites which is proven to fail. Even Poker Stars bot security blows and this bot ring was operating for over a year before the paying consumers (us/players) caught the bots by spotting accounts with the exact same stats down to the river over hundreds of thousands of hands.

I think it could be a good idea to actually open a poker room for bots. Provide a simple interface so that coders dont need to bother with low level bs like screen recognition, injection, etc. Just coding your algorithm and letting it play against others. Just like quant trading.

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