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traxamillion   United States. Apr 25 2015 08:26. Posts 10468

SB $100
BB $350
UTG $250
ME $200

UTG puts out 4, UTG +1 calls, I call in mp with 68hh, button calls, both blinds call.

Flop 5c7s10c (pot $24)

Everybody Checks

Turn 5c7s10c9s

sb bets 10, BB raises to 25, UTG raises to 50, I ?

sb is a cute young asian girl who plays there recreationally pretty often, kinda knows how to play but makes basic mistakes.

BB is an older asian gentleman. Pretty nitty but has some gamble.

UTG is a young asian kid who is playing with his friend. He isn't quite as bad as his friend but they are both 80% vpip fish. He has been playing a lot of hands to the river and i've seen him make a couple small bluffs there. Only hand vs me I raised to 8 UTG with KJcc and he was the only caller on either the cut off or button, flop was 1056dd, I check/call 10 or 12 (i think 12), turn pairs the 6 and it checks through, river is the 3d. I check/snapcall 20 and muck to KQo. Knew he was bluffing and didn't think i needed to raise since I really felt he checks flop with ace high/trys to show it down. OOPS. Online I wouldn't raise there since i figure I beat his bluffs for the most part and there is some small chance if I raise I run into a real hand not to mention I rep very little. Live I could just see the kid was bluffing fuck strategy he wore it on his sleeve and I could raise there and win 100% in retrospect. Problem in this hand is I don't think this asian kid is bluffing without QJcc and i'm just not sure how he values his hands.

Assume that I call turn and SB calls, BB folds

River 5c7s9s10cKh (pot $200)

sb checks, UTG goes all in, I ?

If you call river here do you still call facing the same action if river is either the 5h, or 4c?

I swear man i'm regressing playing too much live poker.

So the questions are.

turn action- What is max value on the turn. If we jam it obviously looks lol strong and some of these players may fold hands they would otherwise call 50 and even all in on clean rivers. If the sb or bb just have 8-9 out draws or combodraws I am doing them a big favor just flatting. What is better you guys?

Or do we herofold

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K40Cheddar   United States. Apr 25 2015 15:23. Posts 2202

I would just jam the turn. There are pretty much 0 cards you want to see on the river that help your hand. You only lose to 8J and with this much action I'm pretty sure at least one person is gonna call. You got double flush draws out there too.

GGLast edit: 25/04/2015 15:26

traxamillion   United States. Apr 25 2015 18:04. Posts 10468

Yes I feel u shove turn is good. What if u happen to call do u ever fold any of those rivers? And if the flush draws weren't out there (or maybe even just 1 but mainly if it's a rainbow board) there wouldn't be nearly as many bad rivers so could call become better in that case?


Rinny   United States. Apr 27 2015 02:29. Posts 600

I think calling turn is a big mistake, we are giving the people behind us incredible odds to chase with 2 fd's and a coordinated board.

UTG's turn min raise reads like value to me.. is he really so stupid he thinks he will fold out 2 raisers with a min raise. His previous hand against you seems solid, and playing a stupid % of your hands isn't quite as bad offline since you are not often raised and you see pots with like 6 people.

as played call... interested in results


traxamillion   United States. Apr 27 2015 10:09. Posts 10468

Oh I shipped turn and ran it into J8o. I actually tanked for a bit at the table heavily putting him on that hand even though he was a big fish I hadn't played with much before. Tried to talk myself into a turn call but decided I could t get away on a brick anyways and would just let the first two players draw profitably. So yea I know this might sound like a bad beat post but I honestly considered folding. There are 16 J8 combos he can have even UTG vs which I am dead to a 7.5%. Chop. He is never bluffing except maybe QJdd which is one combo with a lot of equity anyways. I doubt If he 3bets turn with 2 pair or set, he most likely calls. I added all those river play options just to mislead you guys from what actually went down to see what ppl really think and also because the answers to those questions are worth talking about imo.

Sb called shove with 99, Bb fold, UTG calls with j8o. Sb wins main pot when the board pairs and UTG wins a side pot from me.

 Last edit: 27/04/2015 10:13

 



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