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cariadon   Estonia. Feb 06 2015 13:47. Posts 4019


  On February 04 2015 19:48 Daut wrote:
if you were an up and coming fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a middling fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were an older fighter trying to stay competitive, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a champion facing challengers who are all on roids, why wouldnt you use them too?

i think it comes down to a few things.
2) everyone else is using them
3) it helps you recover faster, train harder and makes you a better fighter
4) the rewards outweigh the risks, and most people get away with it




I would just like to voice my opinion that this is disgusting garbage. I'm going to print it out and take a smelly hangover dump on said paper. What the fuck? You actually believe that shit or trolling ?


TianYuan    Korea (South). Feb 06 2015 13:52. Posts 6817


  On February 04 2015 18:21 tomson wrote:
I'm surprised people are surprised. I'd assume everyone without exception competing at that level is on some sort of drug/steroid, am I wrong?


Pretty sure you are right. I mean, maybe I wouldn't say without exception but enough that the surprise should be if someone isnt using anything rather than that they are.

Also, I find myself caring almost none at all that he was caught using.. Maybe it's because I'm not a super Silva fan (dont dislike him or anything and I think he is/was amazing, just no personal attachment... and I mean, after I saw Weidman has Starcraft 2 on his computer how can I not support him instead).

The arguments some people make that 'steroids are more serious in fighting cuz you're out there trying to hurt eachother' just rings hollow to me.. I'm pretty sure Dan Henderson was safer out there on TRT than without. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of matchups made constantly that are significantly more unsafe for one party, than the additional risks posed by someone being on the juice.

Anyhow, only thing that sucks it that it will tarnish his legacy a bit.


  On February 06 2015 12:47 cariadon wrote:
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I would just like to voice my opinion that this is disgusting garbage. I'm going to print it out and take a smelly hangover dump on said paper. What the fuck? You actually believe that shit or trolling ?

What's so wrong about this? I think it's pretty accurate... Personally I wouldn't use, but that's more of a personal choice and not really because I think it's cheating (it is cheating due to current rules, and so I wouldn't use them, but I think the current rules should possibly be changed, it just seems like fighting a losing battle). More because I vaguely distrust drugs not to change... I dont know, change something about who I am, and I like who I am

50 years from now, do you realistically think PEDs will still be banned? I think we'll look back at the ban as quaintly misguided...

I don't know, just feels inevitable.

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 06/02/2015 14:05

cariadon   Estonia. Feb 06 2015 17:33. Posts 4019

The moral compass is broken.
Pretty sure there is some logical fallacy at work with the line of "reasoning".


Daut    United States. Feb 06 2015 17:45. Posts 8955


  On February 06 2015 16:33 cariadon wrote:
The moral compass is broken.
Pretty sure there is some logical fallacy at work with the line of "reasoning".



im pro PED. i think its an arbitrary line in the sand. athletes are allowed to take supplements that mimic the effects of taking testosterone without actually being exogenous testosterone. if something can be done in a safe manner that helps people be the best version of themselves, i dont have a problem with them using it.

but it is against the rules in the UFC. im not saying i think fighters should break those rules and use, im just saying, if you were a fighter and put in a position where guys all around you are using and gaining a large competitive advantage, and you are falling behind them all, why wouldnt you do it if you believed it to be safe and effective? no matter where you are in your career, i think the rewards outweigh the risks.

i was actually pretty unfair to GSP and may rethink my 1:1 bet on him using at some point. he had a LOT to lose by being caught in a time period where almost nobody was caught. maybe he was just more athletic, faster and able to train harder than all the other guys who were using roids in his division. im not being snarky with that statement, it very well could be possible.

i just think its insane that most people believe fedor didnt use something at some point.



the best fighter in the organization that allows and encourages roid use, where everyone else is using, yet he never once did? was he even brought up in an anti-steroid atmosphere? it seems unbelievable that he would just shake his head no whenever offered when it wasnt against the rules. it wouldnt even be a knock on him, he was doing something that was allowed!




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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 06 2015 19:56. Posts 13030




NAC executive director Bob Bennett has decided to overturn Silva's victory. In light of the failed drugs test the bout result will now be changed to a no contest which could have massive financial repercussions for Silva.

Speaking to Brazilian newspaper Folha Bennett said :

'Yes, it will be ruled a NC (no contest). I don't know if he will receive the win bonus after this change. That's UFC's call, but a percentage of his purse will be held because of this episode.'

Too bad Diaz will be fined hard for smoking weed. This could've been the perfect result for him if he got to keep all $500k of his prize purse.

Rekrul is a newbLast edit: 06/02/2015 20:04

cariadon   Estonia. Feb 06 2015 21:34. Posts 4019


  On February 06 2015 16:45 Daut wrote:
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im pro PED. i think its an arbitrary line in the sand. athletes are allowed to take supplements that mimic the effects of taking testosterone without actually being exogenous testosterone. if something can be done in a safe manner that helps people be the best version of themselves, i dont have a problem with them using it.

but it is against the rules in the UFC. im not saying i think fighters should break those rules and use, im just saying, if you were a fighter and put in a position where guys all around you are using and gaining a large competitive advantage, and you are falling behind them all, why wouldnt you do it if you believed it to be safe and effective? no matter where you are in your career, i think the rewards outweigh the risks.

i was actually pretty unfair to GSP and may rethink my 1:1 bet on him using at some point. he had a LOT to lose by being caught in a time period where almost nobody was caught. maybe he was just more athletic, faster and able to train harder than all the other guys who were using roids in his division. im not being snarky with that statement, it very well could be possible.

i just think its insane that most people believe fedor didnt use something at some point.



the best fighter in the organization that allows and encourages roid use, where everyone else is using, yet he never once did? was he even brought up in an anti-steroid atmosphere? it seems unbelievable that he would just shake his head no whenever offered when it wasnt against the rules. it wouldnt even be a knock on him, he was doing something that was allowed!







It is how you word it that makes me have a problem. Others being on PEDs and not getting caught isn't a valid reason or excuse to be using it. Not getting caught is the fault of testing. What should be allowed/disallowed, how often to test, punishment etc. can and should be regulated better.

What about when your career is over? Your choice will stick with you for life. If it is ok and you can live with that on your conscious, fine. It'd be interesting to guesstimate how many caught cheats truly, honestly regret their choice.

The elite fighters are really the best of the best. I believe one guy can dominate others in his weightclass as a combination of having everything going for you - genetics, not getting injured, etc and luck. You go unbeaten for 20 fights and be hailed as the GOAT and best p4p fighter of all time, i don't find it improbable enough to call PED use. Just one guy getting the better of others at the top, happens all the time everywhere. Was Genghis Khan on PEDs? No, he just loved to watch the world burn. Some are put on this earth to destroy shit.


NMcNasty    United States. Feb 06 2015 21:58. Posts 2039

One reason I think Fedor probably didn't use steroids is that maybe 7-8 years back when Overeem was considered an absolute beast, Fedor was requesting for Olympic level steroid testing as a condition to getting a fight to happen. It would be kind of a weird thing for a fighter that actually is on roids to say, unless you believe Fedor was actually ducking Overeem.


Daut    United States. Feb 07 2015 00:25. Posts 8955


  On February 06 2015 20:34 cariadon wrote:
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It is how you word it that makes me have a problem. Others being on PEDs and not getting caught isn't a valid reason or excuse to be using it. Not getting caught is the fault of testing. What should be allowed/disallowed, how often to test, punishment etc. can and should be regulated better.

What about when your career is over? Your choice will stick with you for life. If it is ok and you can live with that on your conscious, fine. It'd be interesting to guesstimate how many caught cheats truly, honestly regret their choice.

The elite fighters are really the best of the best. I believe one guy can dominate others in his weightclass as a combination of having everything going for you - genetics, not getting injured, etc and luck. You go unbeaten for 20 fights and be hailed as the GOAT and best p4p fighter of all time, i don't find it improbable enough to call PED use. Just one guy getting the better of others at the top, happens all the time everywhere. Was Genghis Khan on PEDs? No, he just loved to watch the world burn. Some are put on this earth to destroy shit.



not saying just cause everyone else is doing it. i personally am not ethically against PEDs, if someone is confident its not harmful to their body long term, will improve their overall life and their career, why not do it? sure its against the rules, but those are always in flux and i agree with tianyuan that theyll eventually change.

an analogy is playing on stars from the USA. something ive never done and regret never doing. wasted so much money traveling back and forth to canada and missed out on tons of value by being able to play from home, i dont fault a single person for doing it and wish i did myself. i kinda look at controlled and safe PED usage as the same thing.

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Daut    United States. Feb 07 2015 00:42. Posts 8955

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/6/7...of-16-drug-test-suspended-nine-months

jon fitch fails drug test for elevated testosterone. CIR test confirmed results. hes someone i would have thought was clean, mainly because he switched to being a vegan a few years back and seemed like a straight up guy.

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Minsk   United States. Feb 07 2015 00:47. Posts 1558

I would say Fedor didn't use steroids.

Look at his body, he didn't really have much muscle or testosterome. He had a lot of inner body strength, don't see why he would use steroids nor did I see the effects on him. He really had no use for them, they don't benefit his style.

He won off inner body strength that comes from lifting tractor tires. Big muscles would only slow him down, excess testosterome would only make him more reckless.




PuertoRican   United States. Feb 07 2015 01:03. Posts 13030


  On February 06 2015 23:47 Minsk wrote:
I would say Fedor didn't use steroids.

Look at his body, he didn't really have much muscle or testosterome. He had a lot of inner body strength, don't see why he would use steroids nor did I see the effects on him. He really had no use for them, they don't benefit his style.

He won off inner body strength that comes from lifting tractor tires. Big muscles would only slow him down, excess testosterome would only make him more reckless.






This is Josh Barnett, former UFC heavyweight champion. He failed two drug tests during his first run with the UFC; once in the beginning of his UFC career, and another time after he won the UFC heavyweight title. Barnett has always had a lot of inner body strength.

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Minsk   United States. Feb 07 2015 02:24. Posts 1558

He clearly looks like hes on steroids to me...look at his pudginess trying to be compressed by the steroids.

 Last edit: 07/02/2015 02:24

whamm!   Albania. Feb 07 2015 03:40. Posts 11625

I believe Fedor didn't use roids ever, simply because, Fedor.


Baalim   Mexico. Feb 07 2015 03:54. Posts 34246

Im the biggest Fedor fan ever but being objective there is still a pretty good chance he did steroids, just look a Dauts pics ffs.

I would also bet 1:1 that GSP has used steroids too.

I also agree with Daut that steroids should be allowed, they are only forcing this ridiculous rule where 90% are doing it anyway and are creating an art passing tests while the other 10% are forced to either eventually cave in or simply being in a great disadvantage.

Ive seen 3 different statements from MMA gym owners about steroids, one said 98% use, another 90% and another just said "everyone", these are his literal responses, obviosly arent statistical numbers but just their way to say pretty much everyone uses them.

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Daut    United States. Feb 08 2015 22:54. Posts 8955

http://www.fighthubtv.com/mma-news-in...-boost-their-testosterone-talks-wsof/

2 year old article where fitch blasts TRT.


http://mmajunkie.com/2014/10/ufcs-and...roid-tests-should-mean-no-more-fights

4 month old article where anderson says positive steroid test should mean a lifetime ban.


the balls on these mother fuckers. just because someone says anti steroid shit publicly, does not mean he never used.

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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 14 2022 01:54. Posts 34246

how is this bumped with a 2015 latests post?

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PuertoRican   United States. Sep 15 2022 05:04. Posts 13030


  On September 14 2022 00:54 Baalim wrote:
how is this bumped with a 2015 latests post?


brujeria

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