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RiKD    United States. Dec 30 2014 12:32. Posts 8431

Tolstoy on government:

During his 1857 visit to Paris, Tolstoy witnessed a public execution in Paris, a traumatic experience that would mark the rest of his life. Writing in a letter to his friend Vasily Botkin: "The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens... Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere."

Tolstoy on Anarchy:

The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order, and in the assertion that, without Authority, there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that Anarchy can be instituted by a revolution. But it will be instituted only by there being more and more people who do not require the protection of governmental power ... There can be only one permanent revolution—a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man.

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I have found the only way to live out some of these questions is to get them out in honest, open-minded, willing collectives. Collectives where the tribe is aware of ubiquitous assimilation and the promotion of double think within the current systems. Collectives where the basis of education is truth, beauty, and goodness. Collectives where we realize we are not immune to corporation and nation sponsored education and press but we are honest and openminded and willing to seek and search out ethical, moral, and spiritual progression. We are all in this together:

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RaiNKhAN    United States. Dec 30 2014 14:06. Posts 4080

relevant re-post from one of loco's blogs:

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dnagardi   Hungary. Dec 30 2014 15:06. Posts 1776

without regulation, government or whatever u wanna call it we would be still in caves farming,hunting

and if u wanna set anarchy into the currently existing world 90% of the worlds population would just starve to death, big cities would collapse (no transportation, food in supermarkets wouldnt be replenished etc). In small villages i guess they would still live on, farming for themselves.

i mean its no coincidence that every culture around the world shares the basic fundamentals of regulation. It is the most stable option even if it has negative sides

my thoughts


Baalim   Mexico. Dec 30 2014 16:57. Posts 34246


  On December 30 2014 14:06 dnagardi wrote:
without regulation, government or whatever u wanna call it we would be still in caves farming,hunting



Lol why? how has the state contributed to the development of society dont make claims like this without thinking this shit through.


 
and if u wanna set anarchy into the currently existing world 90% of the worlds population would just starve to death, big cities would collapse (no transportation, food in supermarkets wouldnt be replenished etc). In small villages i guess they would still live on, farming for themselves.



WTF why would people starve? how does the state help with the nourishment of people? No transportation? transportation would be simlpy privately developed, there are man, transportation is not free, you pay bus and train tickets, you pay tolls on roads, pay for your licence etc.


 
i mean its no coincidence that every culture around the world shares the basic fundamentals of regulation. It is the most stable option even if it has negative sides




Also every culture around the world is rooted in religion and it doesnt make the concept of a god any less idiotic, governments exist because people have fought and risen to power in history and society trends to maintain the status quo

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Gnarly   United States. Dec 30 2014 17:08. Posts 1723

>anarchy
>an abstract idea that can come to fruition

There's always the go-to idea that with anarchy, people would be killing each other left and right. Or, as another way of stating the same thing: imposing their authority over others.

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Baalim   Mexico. Dec 30 2014 17:11. Posts 34246

I have been an anarchist for many years now and its painfully obvious how the state is incredibly harmful for humanity but people are simply unaware of it, unaware that the government can even be questioned in the sense of its existence.

Ive always compared it with religion because its actually very similar for people, most religious people don't ever question the existence of god, a quick an honest look at it would make any man an atheist in matters of a couple of minutes and the same thing happens with the state, people talk about decmocracy as if its somehow it was a synonym for freedom and the word anarchy means chaos and molotov cocktails.


A clear sign of this is the post above this one, those arguments are clearly no rational or remotely well thought, just as a religious person trying to defend its religion for the first time.

Most people first questions about anarchy are "but what about police, what about plumbing" etc, which shows that they have never enterteined the thought of a society with no state for even a second before in their lives.

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chris   United States. Dec 30 2014 17:16. Posts 5503

the government built roads in the US. not to say private roads could not or would not have been built, but they would not all adhere to a standard. just like the FDA.

without government, if someone wronged me, i have no recourse. there is no criminal court. i must then find a way to harm this person to seek justice.

i think government is needed, but it is a beast we have to be careful about how much we feed....as the more we put in, the more powerful it becomes, and it no longer serves its people, but the other way around

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Gnarly   United States. Dec 30 2014 17:44. Posts 1723


  On December 30 2014 16:11 Baalim wrote:
I have been an anarchist for many years now and its painfully obvious how the state is incredibly harmful for humanity but people are simply unaware of it, unaware that the government can even be questioned in the sense of its existence.

Ive always compared it with religion because its actually very similar for people, most religious people don't ever question the existence of god, a quick an honest look at it would make any man an atheist in matters of a couple of minutes and the same thing happens with the state, people talk about decmocracy as if its somehow it was a synonym for freedom and the word anarchy means chaos and molotov cocktails.


A clear sign of this is the post above this one, those arguments are clearly no rational or remotely well thought, just as a religious person trying to defend its religion for the first time.

Most people first questions about anarchy are "but what about police, what about plumbing" etc, which shows that they have never enterteined the thought of a society with no state for even a second before in their lives.



I think philosophically, we could never even have a discussion on the idea of anarchy due to our seemingly wildly different beliefs. Is your definition of anarchy simply that which there is no government? To me, the idea of governing can be seen in nature. The sun governs the solar system through its gravitational pull and it's intense energy it radiates throughout. We see less of the sun during winter, which means it's either harder or impossible to farm the same things that would be farmed in summer. However, you might not want to personify the sun, so we can go to living things governing other living things. Micro-organisms eat up each other and lions eat up gazelles. When a lion roars, it's likely that he's saying, "This is my territory. Trespass and die." While the lion is not something we would class as a government, he is governing the mammals around him. Those animals will seek to avoid him. This is a nature social order.

Nature social orders end up progressing to the point where having social intelligence is be more effective at having a career in politics than spatial intelligence, therefor giving way to different ways of "roaring". Even families are their own state; usually, there will be a patriarchal figure leading the family. Sure, the other family members can act on their own, but to be able to partake in festivities such as what's going on right now is up to certain people. People will always claim something and impose their authority over others about it.

This is why even when civilization breaks down, if that ever happens, it will quickly rise back up so long as there are humans left alive. People will always strive to achieve their ideas, whether for helping out or for selfish gains, and those strong enough to impose their will on others will, in fact, impose their will on others. The weak will serve the strong while the strong serves the weak.

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Baalim   Mexico. Dec 30 2014 18:07. Posts 34246


  On December 30 2014 16:16 chris wrote:
the government built roads in the US. not to say private roads could not or would not have been built, but they would not all adhere to a standard. just like the FDA.

without government, if someone wronged me, i have no recourse. there is no criminal court. i must then find a way to harm this person to seek justice.

i think government is needed, but it is a beast we have to be careful about how much we feed....as the more we put in, the more powerful it becomes, and it no longer serves its people, but the other way around



On the contrary unlike government enterprises, privately owned ones adhere to the rules of the free market, thus forcing them to compete through quality, price etc, thats why privately owned bussines will always outperform state ones, every single time.

The FDA kills much more people than it saves all the regulations blocks new medicines and it has been responsible for the deaths of millions of americans blocking medicine for heart disease available in europe for decades, this regulation is a corrupt hoax that serves the purposes of big Pharma, not the consumer.

LOL police... the governments runs the Mafia model... you give up a big % of your earnings in exchange for protection, its bullshit protection because they only protect you from themselves, to avoid getting your face smashed in by the man collecting the money in the same way the government does, if you dont pay these "taxes" who will come knocking in your house to put you in a cage for years?

Have you ever being victim of a crime that the state and a courtroom helped you correct? no? thought so.

There are many models of dealing with that in anarchic tribunals if you want to read more about it I can send you links.


And no.. the government will never serve the people, it will always serve itself, its human nature, the bigger the government the more fucked you are, but its only a matter of size, small cancer or big cancer.

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Baalim   Mexico. Dec 30 2014 18:17. Posts 34246


  On December 30 2014 16:44 Gnarly wrote:
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I think philosophically, we could never even have a discussion on the idea of anarchy due to our seemingly wildly different beliefs. Is your definition of anarchy simply that which there is no government? To me, the idea of governing can be seen in nature. The sun governs the solar system through its gravitational pull and it's intense energy it radiates throughout. We see less of the sun during winter, which means it's either harder or impossible to farm the same things that would be farmed in summer. However, you might not want to personify the sun, so we can go to living things governing other living things. Micro-organisms eat up each other and lions eat up gazelles. When a lion roars, it's likely that he's saying, "This is my territory. Trespass and die." While the lion is not something we would class as a government, he is governing the mammals around him. Those animals will seek to avoid him. This is a nature social order.

Nature social orders end up progressing to the point where having social intelligence is be more effective at having a career in politics than spatial intelligence, therefor giving way to different ways of "roaring". Even families are their own state; usually, there will be a patriarchal figure leading the family. Sure, the other family members can act on their own, but to be able to partake in festivities such as what's going on right now is up to certain people. People will always claim something and impose their authority over others about it.

This is why even when civilization breaks down, if that ever happens, it will quickly rise back up so long as there are humans left alive. People will always strive to achieve their ideas, whether for helping out or for selfish gains, and those strong enough to impose their will on others will, in fact, impose their will on others. The weak will serve the strong while the strong serves the weak.


Its not my definition of anarchy... the definition of anarchy is simply a society with no state, its right in the obvious etymology.

The sun or lions have absolutely nothing to do with anarchy ffs, you are clearly confusing anarchy with some weird ideology of nobody having any power over others, its simply about not living under a organization that monopolizes violence through army/police with mandatory direct or indirect taxation.

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Gnarly   United States. Dec 30 2014 18:26. Posts 1723


  On December 30 2014 17:17 Baalim wrote:
Show nested quote +



Its not my definition of anarchy... the definition of anarchy is simply a society with no state, its right in the obvious etymology.

The sun or lions have absolutely nothing to do with anarchy ffs, you are clearly confusing anarchy with some weird ideology of nobody having any power over others, its simply about not living under a organization that monopolizes violence through army/police with mandatory direct or indirect taxation.



an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/
noun
noun: anarchy

a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.

What's your definition, again?

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chris   United States. Dec 30 2014 18:27. Posts 5503

Baal, if the government in the US didn't build roads, only the wealthy would have roads because the poor could not afford them and middle class areas could not afford to maintain them, as the costs are enormous - and then there is the matter of contribution. i suppose you know all about social goods and public goods.

The FDA kills people? This statement...I do not know if you are trolling or truly believe that....

Yes, I have been victim of several crimes. The guy did not get sent to prison, so no, the court did not "help" me.

Send me links. I'll be happy to take a look.

Pretty sure there are some governments that do a decent job, to some extent. The issue is "power corrupts" and "power protects power" principles. People who obtain power, in theory, become corrupted, to some degree.

If we were a true anarchist society, I could kill you for disagreeing with me and I face no consequences, outside of maybe having to deal with your family.

I remember reading about the president of Uruguay acting quite well.

I am not saying I trust the government, or that it is always right, I am only arguing that some level of government is needed. How about net neutrality? If you are for it, you are a hypocrite. If you are against it, then I kind of hate you (on that topic).

If net neutrality isn't upheld, companies could could abuse bandwidth however they chose. A pure anarchist society is like communism....in theory, it's a utopia. Freedom, no government to get in the way, and we can do what we want and the free market should dictate things and we all get what we deserve, blah blah blah. Wouldn't work that way if it was actually applied. Would be more of a dystopia.

Did you like the "wild west" in US history? People shooting each other in the street?

I respect you Baal, and trust you actually have some real world example you could present that makes anarchy sound better a governed society.
Cause I am sure you like your internet, with your power, and rent, and money, cause in an anarchist society, there is nothing to enforce your rental agreement or property ownership, there is nothing to govern your power supply from being cut because they no longer feel like honoring your service agreement, etc. And money, cause, ya know...I doubt you want to have to raise livestock to barter for other goods...since money (well, fiat currency) is backed by governing bodies.

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chris   United States. Dec 30 2014 18:28. Posts 5503

also with anarchy, baal, you would not have been able to ban people, as you used to!

you are mad you lost mod status! i knew it!

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Gnarly   United States. Dec 30 2014 18:29. Posts 1723

http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/7118?redirectedFrom=anarchy&

we can go more


  Etymology: < Greek &#7936;&#957;&#945;&#961;&#967;&#943;&#945;, n. of state < &#7940;&#957;&#945;&#961;&#967;-&#959;&#962; without a chief or head, < &#7936;&#957; priv. + &#7936;&#961;&#967;&#972;&#962; leader, chief. The word was also adopted in medieval Latin anarchia, and French anarchie (Cotgrave 1611), from one or other of which the English may have been immediately taken.

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chris   United States. Dec 30 2014 18:33. Posts 5503

to be clear i do not like taxes or being told what to do, but i also recognize a necessary evil

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Gnarly   United States. Dec 30 2014 18:33. Posts 1723


  On December 30 2014 17:28 chris wrote:
also with anarchy, baal, you would not have been able to ban people, as you used to!

you are mad you lost mod status! i knew it!



>baal's face when

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RiKD    United States. Dec 30 2014 18:45. Posts 8431

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

-Winston Churchill

"The water's blue, swallow the pill."

-Frank Ocean

Wake Up LP:

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RiKD    United States. Dec 30 2014 18:58. Posts 8431

Anyone in this thread who defines anarchy as anything other than simply the absence of government I will consider stupid and/or a troll.

Please, any further discussion:

The definition of anarchy is simply the absence of government.


RiKD    United States. Dec 30 2014 19:01. Posts 8431

Not the absence of community.

Not the absence of hierarchies.

Not the absence of human folly.

The absence of government as we have known it.


Gnarly   United States. Dec 30 2014 19:07. Posts 1723

RiKD, did you not read the actual etymology of the word?

>without a chief or head

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