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diggerflopboat   . Nov 08 2014 02:20. Posts 241

It is impossible for me to explain the extent of what I am presenting. Over the last year we have been creating a revolution for poker based on a manifesto posted under the title "ideal poker" https://www.scribd.com/doc/224948379/Ideal-Poker

Ideal Poker a piece of art created with John Nash's lecture "ideal money" that calls for a money printing revolution. Both revolutions are upon us, and we are just now waking up to it.

I cannot begin to describe the work that has gone behind this project, but instead all I can do is link you to a blog that explains it in it's entirety: http://thewealthofchips.wordpress.com/

The blog is extremely dense, there are literally 100's of linking papers explaining the entire extent of the revolution. We ask pros and players to join in and learn what is going on http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...oker-not-over-just-beginning-1487504/

The players have started screaming for a solution to the problems they have with the economics and regulations of the game, and unbeknownst to them the solution has been completed defined expanded and explained under the manifesto "ideal poker" and the blog "thewealthofchips".

Over the last year many communities have been unknowingly made aware of "ideal poker", and now it is being fully revealed what is "ideal poker"...please do some research into the articles interesting to you, ask questions, and join the revolution!

This is a CALL!!!

Support: #idealpoker

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Romm3l   Germany. Nov 08 2014 07:25. Posts 285

id rather pay large rake to play on a site with lots of casual fish depositors than pay no rake to play on a site that will never get off the ground because 1) nobody can be bothered to research your ideology or read the great walls of tldr, and 2), because (1) is true and nobody is going to start playing there (network effects in reverse)

facts of life

 Last edit: 08/11/2014 07:26

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Nov 08 2014 09:48. Posts 5108

I miss something like wgtour for brood war players that were run by players and not by investors. If any stuff came up that were bad for the games/players etc they would bann it or make some rules - in poker they never do nothing about any problems that dry up the games. Its really annoying. Pokerstars have thou done a lot of very good things for their players i must say, but more could be done. Other sites like Betfair, Full tilt poker etc just refuses to make any good change for real poker players and game died.

:DLast edit: 08/11/2014 09:52

diggerflopboat   . Nov 08 2014 10:28. Posts 241


  On November 08 2014 06:25 Romm3l wrote:
id rather pay large rake to play on a site with lots of casual fish depositors than pay no rake to play on a site that will never get off the ground because 1) nobody can be bothered to research your ideology or read the great walls of tldr, and 2), because (1) is true and nobody is going to start playing there (network effects in reverse)

facts of life

It is not my idea, I copied it from a higher source. Its not true nobody can be bothered. I am being contacted from different groups of players involved in protests on different poker forums. They are beginning now to rally behind the name: ideal poker. My writings, the thesis, and the solution I propose are indeed very dense and difficult to sift through. But there are people VERY interested and reading through it all as I post this. The difficulties with the network effect you allude to is real and exists, and it was written about and explained why what is proposed is our answer to it.

I realize not everyone will jump aboard and start researching, we are looking for those who are interested adn willing to understand "ideal poker", ask questions, and do a little digging

thx

 Last edit: 08/11/2014 10:36

fira   United States. Nov 08 2014 11:25. Posts 6345


  On November 08 2014 08:48 VanDerMeyde wrote:
I miss something like wgtour for brood war players that were run by players and not by investors. If any stuff came up that were bad for the games/players etc they would bann it or make some rules - in poker they never do nothing about any problems that dry up the games. Its really annoying. Pokerstars have thou done a lot of very good things for their players i must say, but more could be done. Other sites like Betfair, Full tilt poker etc just refuses to make any good change for real poker players and game died.


B- WGT highest i got :S

i was such a nit back then


Bobosaur   Canada. Nov 08 2014 11:46. Posts 30

"Ideal poker" sounds so cheesy lol, reminds me of those small poker skins on a crappy poker network you see on the sidebar. Also, the only link I clicked on (the 2+2 thread) has been deleted...


diggerflopboat   . Nov 08 2014 12:28. Posts 241


  On November 08 2014 10:46 Bobosaur wrote:
"Ideal poker" sounds so cheesy lol, reminds me of those small poker skins on a crappy poker network you see on the sidebar. Also, the only link I clicked on (the 2+2 thread) has been deleted...

The name comes as an extension of the lecture "ideal money" in which John Nash foretold the coming of an economic revolution based on a new technology that is going to create a universal currency network. In order for him to solve such an intense problem he had to first conceive of the "ideal" and then work his way towards his solution from there.

His solution then comes in the form of "asymptotically" ideal money or in other words: what are the steps towards ideal money?

The answer became to release a decentralized currency with a stable printing rate and is exchangeable universally on an exchange. This gives citizens the ability to move out of bad currencies and into good currency, putting pressure on governments to issue "good" currencies (stop printing money), creating an asymptotic slide money.

What we want to show you is "ideal poker", and "asymptotically ideal poker" but its a very big subject so we are looking for interested peoples first and early adopters.


edit: and yes it got deleted, the players are reporting "ideal poker" is a ban worthy offense.

 Last edit: 08/11/2014 12:32

TalentedTom    Canada. Nov 08 2014 12:59. Posts 20070

gl competeing with pokerstars advertising, every fish knows the name pokerstars, its the most popular poker brand in the world

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

diggerflopboat   . Nov 08 2014 13:48. Posts 241


  On November 08 2014 11:59 TalentedTom wrote:
gl competeing with pokerstars advertising, every fish knows the name pokerstars, its the most popular poker brand in the world

nothing you said here has anything to do with the OP in this thread or any of the articles linked here. I realize we are all frustrated with the monopoly however we have a well researched and documented "thesis" and we are simply looking for like minded peoples that are interested in initial adoption and learning about the entire scope of it.

It is NOT a new poker site.


VanDerMeyde   Norway. Nov 08 2014 14:40. Posts 5108


  On November 08 2014 10:25 fira wrote:
Show nested quote +


B- WGT highest i got :S

i was such a nit back then


Nit in poker = Camper in brood war ?

:D 

Romm3l   Germany. Nov 08 2014 17:29. Posts 285


  On November 08 2014 09:28 diggerflopboat wrote:
Show nested quote +

It is not my idea, I copied it from a higher source. Its not true nobody can be bothered. I am being contacted from different groups of players involved in protests on different poker forums. They are beginning now to rally behind the name: ideal poker. My writings, the thesis, and the solution I propose are indeed very dense and difficult to sift through. But there are people VERY interested and reading through it all as I post this. The difficulties with the network effect you allude to is real and exists, and it was written about and explained why what is proposed is our answer to it.

I realize not everyone will jump aboard and start researching, we are looking for those who are interested adn willing to understand "ideal poker", ask questions, and do a little digging

thx

hope it works out but just saying it's hard to see anything good coming out of it if there are no fish. even if you eliminate rake and poker becomes zerosum instead of negativesum, superior players still act like a black hole sucking up all the money over time and you need a constant inflow of new depositors to sustain the system. the type of player supporting this on forums is strongly unlikely to fit the profile of a casual willing to lose and redeposit over and over for years (those people all belong to pokerstars). bitcoin and decentralised clever things are like online shopping in 1990, no normal person understands or trusts it nor is willing to spend any time looking into it.


diggerflopboat   . Nov 09 2014 03:07. Posts 241


  On November 08 2014 16:29 Romm3l wrote:
hope it works out but just saying it's hard to see anything good coming out of it if there are no fish. even if you eliminate rake and poker becomes zerosum instead of negativesum, superior players still act like a black hole sucking up all the money over time and you need a constant inflow of new depositors to sustain the system. the type of player supporting this on forums is strongly unlikely to fit the profile of a casual willing to lose and redeposit over and over for years (those people all belong to pokerstars). bitcoin and decentralized clever things are like online shopping in 1990, no normal person understands or trusts it nor is willing to spend any time looking into it.

thank you for your uneducated option. I am not looking for guesses. We are looking for people who are interested in learning and doing their own research. We are not making "guesses". What you are suggesting is great for months and years ago but we are dealing with the reality today. Recs and regs are not happy, the game is getting worse, there is a players revolution in the midst.

If you don't want to help and educate yourself to understand Ideal Poker, it is fine, but it makes no sense to not read anything, and comment anyways without realizing how much effort was put in to prove that everything you just said is wrong.

 Last edit: 09/11/2014 03:08

Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 09 2014 04:43. Posts 2224

people might be more receptive if you had explained anything at all rather than just link to other sites like a 2+2 thread that i guess got deleted and if you didn't use the phraseology of a pyramid scheme

i read this far


 
Definition “Effective Rake”:

A winning player might exchange 5USD on site A with an a roi of 5%.
The same player deposits 5USD on site B with an roi of 4%
We say that the “effective rake” on site B is higher than site A.

The profitability in terms of “effective rake” is hidden on every site by many contributing factors. The most significant are the make-up of the player field (winning players vs depositing players), and the winning distributions. These factors are not definable for the players community.

Problem:

Players cannot accurately assess the value of their money in exchange for chips on each given site (effective rake), and they do not have the ability to exercise their dissatisfaction so they are left with no “pull” in the industry.

Conjecture:

If players could accurately define the effective rake of each site AND have the option to transfer their bankrolls between sites, this would cause pressure on sites to offer a superior product.


and initially it looks like everything is wrong... i mean it falls to the player to understand their own ROI. the fact that x players don't know their edge in the games they are playing doesn't mean it's scientifically impossible to figure out?

furthermore no site is holding a gun to anybody's head you can take as much money as you want and take it off or put it on any site you want... it's an imaginary solution to an imaginary problem


  On November 08 2014 01:20 diggerflopboat wrote:
It is impossible for me to explain the extent of what I am presenting.



also i have discovered a truly remarkable proof that your theorem is wrong which this post is too small to contain

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus HansenLast edit: 09/11/2014 04:46

diggerflopboat   . Nov 09 2014 09:34. Posts 241


  and initially it looks like everything is wrong... i mean it falls to the player to understand their own ROI. the fact that x players don't know their edge in the games they are playing doesn't mean it's scientifically impossible to figure out?

You think I am saying because some player don't know their own ROI that is the reason its not possible? For the VAST majority of games calculating a winrate is not possible. I think what is happening here is you are too ignorant to realize that.


  furthermore no site is holding a gun to anybody's head you can take as much money as you want and take it off or put it on any site you want... it's an imaginary solution to an imaginary problem

I don't know what world you live in but in reality the players are pissed, and around the world on different forums they are discussing moving in solidarity. Half the world is even not able to join the global player pool. A gun to someone head, are you four? Most transactions from sites to banks and banks to a different site take days and fees, if the player is allowed to transfer to a different site at all. It not an imaginary problem you are commenting on something you simple wish to argue and ignore, while many other players are fighting for the ability to have a profitable game.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 09 2014 18:44. Posts 9634

And I don't know what world you live in, but the people of almost every country are pissed at politicians, yet they still let them govern them.
Good luck fighting with a well established monopoly in a sector most people don't give a fuck about and where people are driven by tons of factors.
I can tell you this now - you won't win this fight, you might shake up the monopoly somehow in a very optimistic situation, but you won't overthrow it simply because the resources they posses are pretty much infinite compared to yours


dogmeat   Czech Republic. Nov 09 2014 19:55. Posts 6374

ban baalLast edit: 09/11/2014 19:56

diggerflopboat   . Nov 09 2014 23:08. Posts 241


  On November 09 2014 17:44 Spitfiree wrote:
And I don't know what world you live in, but the people of almost every country are pissed at politicians, yet they still let them govern them.
Good luck fighting with a well established monopoly in a sector most people don't give a fuck about and where people are driven by tons of factors.
I can tell you this now - you won't win this fight, you might shake up the monopoly somehow in a very optimistic situation, but you won't overthrow it simply because the resources they posses are pretty much infinite compared to yours

The manifest I posted is really a rip off from a lecture called "ideal money" it does in fact predict and economic revolution against the money printing banking system.

All of the world today every government and every major banking system is confused and helplessly discussing their reaction to the digital currency revolution. So in response to your "beliefs" there nothing can be done, we are already watching the change, it is well on its way, it has an incredible amount of steam and power.

I pm'd one of your members, I realize I am not the charismatic person who can explain all this, but we were simply looking for some community members that might help us learn about and spread the word of "ideal poker" which is the slogan behind the players solidarity movement.


Minsk   United States. Nov 10 2014 17:05. Posts 1558

I wish you the best.


KeyleK_uk   United Kingdom. Nov 22 2014 11:22. Posts 1687


  On November 10 2014 16:05 Minsk wrote:
I wish you the best.



Ditto

poker is soooo much easier when you flop sets 

Ryan Neilly   United States. Nov 22 2014 11:39. Posts 1631

gooooodluckkkkkkkk


 
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