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Scarmaker   Slovakia. Oct 09 2014 20:31. Posts 9

http://www.pokertube.com/poker-news/poker-gossip-opinion/players-raising-their-voice-against-spin-goes-on-pokerstars

Looks like the spin & goes might be a quite a controversial move by PokerStars - the analysis of the format by a long-time successful sit & go professional leads him into launching a petition against the format, seems like plenty of players are following his lead.

I get the point there and I agree - no one doubts that Spin & Gos are in the long run as or maybe even more profitable than any other format - the problem lies within the fact that in Spin & Gos you could easily be unbelievably more off the expected winrate than in any other previous poker format, can't imagine playing those for a living.

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devon06atX   Canada. Oct 09 2014 22:16. Posts 5458


  On October 09 2014 19:31 Scarmaker wrote:
I get the point there and I agree - no one doubts that Spin & Gos are in the long run as or maybe even more profitable than any other format




  On October 02 2014 14:23 MadeInPolanD wrote:
YO DAWG
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SO I PUT RAKE IN YOUR BUY IN AND IN YOUR WINNIGS

(most of the time prizepool is 2x buy in and 3 players payed that buy in, and then it's raked :D )






  On October 04 2014 02:06 Rapoza wrote:
1 each 100x we have a chance to get $10, and 1 each 100x we got $10 there is a chance to get $100 or better... and is still needed to beat 2 other random guys to get something...

so... by the time we hit a big jackpot we already lost $700 to rake... well played pokerstars


MadeInPolanD   Poland. Oct 09 2014 23:48. Posts 1383

petition:

http://tiltbook.com/masuronike/blog/p...-petition-against-spingo-tournaments/

Make it rain$$$Last edit: 10/10/2014 00:01

awesomeguy2   American Samoa. Oct 10 2014 01:01. Posts 2

I wish they would ban cheating programs such as poker manager etc. All tables should be anonymous. People whining because they can no longer rely on poker managers to make the money for them. Its time to get a real job.


Baalim   Mexico. Oct 10 2014 01:39. Posts 34246


  On October 10 2014 00:01 awesomeguy2 wrote:
I wish they would ban cheating programs such as poker manager etc. All tables should be anonymous. People whining because they can no longer rely on poker managers to make the money for them. Its time to get a real job.



ip ban plz

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Trav94   Canada. Oct 10 2014 01:45. Posts 1785


  On October 10 2014 00:01 awesomeguy2 wrote:
I wish they would ban cheating programs such as poker manager etc. All tables should be anonymous. People whining because they can no longer rely on poker managers to make the money for them. Its time to get a real job.



What happened to awesomeguy1? I'll miss him


Santafairy   Korea (South). Oct 10 2014 05:22. Posts 2224


  On October 10 2014 00:01 awesomeguy2 wrote:
I wish they would ban cheating programs such as poker manager etc. All tables should be anonymous. People whining because they can no longer rely on poker managers to make the money for them. Its time to get a real job.


It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

dogmeat   Czech Republic. Oct 10 2014 08:03. Posts 6374

lmao, surely stars will listen

ban baalLast edit: 10/10/2014 08:03

Baalim   Mexico. Oct 11 2014 01:46. Posts 34246

This is obviously not catered to regs and pros who make a living out of poker and that is absolutely fine, if recreational players like this then so be it

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Oct 11 2014 04:15. Posts 5108

awesomeguy2 is right. Especially how Holdem manager / trackers are developing now... "you should 3-bet this guy" "you should check-raise turn vs this guy"

bleh

This is stuff you should figure out yourself, not have a program to tell you. Its the same as maphack in brood war

:DLast edit: 11/10/2014 11:30

julep   Australia. Oct 11 2014 10:09. Posts 1274

i just doubled my bankroll playing spin and go

 Last edit: 11/10/2014 10:09

Santafairy   Korea (South). Oct 11 2014 10:28. Posts 2224


  On October 11 2014 03:15 VanDerMeyde wrote:
awesomeguy2 is right. Especially how Holdem manager / trackers are developing now... "you should 3-bet this guy" "you should check-raise turn vs this guy"

bleh


can you teach me how to configure mine to work like that?

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Oct 11 2014 10:43. Posts 8646

ban baal

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Oct 11 2014 13:39. Posts 15162

pokerstars.baal you mean?

Anyway 0 chance they are getting rid of this with so much invested in marketing

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player999   Brasil. Oct 11 2014 13:57. Posts 7978


  On October 11 2014 00:46 Baalim wrote:
This is obviously not catered to regs and pros who make a living out of poker and that is absolutely fine, if recreational players like this then so be it



how is it fine that they'll stop losing money on the regular tables to go lose there?

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

Romm3l   Germany. Oct 11 2014 14:27. Posts 285

yes it sucks for pro regs when stars keep figuring out better ways to rake in a larger slice of the fish money directly before letting the regs have a shot at getting a share.

the problem is the regs don't have any bargaining position at all. stars need not worry about alienating them either - as long as there's any money to be made there will be regs 24tabling all day to make it no matter how badly they feel the site treats them.


Floofy   Canada. Oct 11 2014 14:37. Posts 8708

I don't think its good for stars to stop regs from making money. if nobody makes money from poker anymore, people who play it hoping to make money from it will stop. I think the majority of people playing it thinks they can be good enough to make money from it (eventually?), even the fishes.

People making millions on stars is pretty good for the site imo, it keeps people's hopes up.

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

Romm3l   Germany. Oct 11 2014 15:16. Posts 285


  On October 11 2014 13:37 Floofy wrote:
I don't think its good for stars to stop regs from making money. if nobody makes money from poker anymore, people who play it hoping to make money from it will stop. I think the majority of people playing it thinks they can be good enough to make money from it (eventually?), even the fishes.

People making millions on stars is pretty good for the site imo, it keeps people's hopes up.


thanks for sharing your view, it was interesting but i actually think the opposite.

I think fish keep playing when they get the great feeling of winning from time to time, it's what keeps them coming back. if they're playing a game closer to pure gambling with the same illusion of control through making decisions and pressing buttons, they get to have the winning feeling at a decent frequency. If a fish sits in something like hsnl cash in 2014 they'll get their eyes ripped out instantly and have no chance at all. there's a limit to how often a fish will keep coming back into a game in which they _NEVER_ win.

lastly you're not going to see a situation where you never hear about anyone win, no matter how tough things get for regs. there will always be big winners visible no matter what. in statistical terms the right tail of the distribution will always extend into big winner territory and this is what's visible to fish, not the location of the mean (e.g. start with 10,000 coin flippers, move the 5000 winners of the flips to round 2, 2500 winners round 3, etc, until you find the best coinflippers on earth)

 Last edit: 11/10/2014 15:27

SIG1   United States. Oct 11 2014 15:56. Posts 651

fuck baal and his logic


Santafairy   Korea (South). Oct 11 2014 16:56. Posts 2224

yeah like psychological flow? but there are also lots of fishy rocks who are super zombified and probably also dislike this kind of format. also irrespective of how they feel hyper turbo will suck money from their wallet faster no? it's like a natural resource if you suck too much of it it's less sustainable

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

 
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