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UFC FN 50: Souza vs. Mousasi

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soberstone   United States. Sep 06 2014 00:06. Posts 2662


  On September 05 2014 22:57 whamm! wrote:
wow jacare is a beast. didnt see the first fight but this rematch he really looked like a league above gegar. he's one of those few high level jits guys i enjoy watching because he does use solid standup to set up his ground game. weidman will have his hands full with this one



I strongly disagree. Dream matchup for Weidman.


Stim_Abuser   United States. Sep 06 2014 00:13. Posts 7499

Yea Weidman is a sizable favorite in that fight.

He's basically significantly better at every single aspect of MMA besides BJJ. And the gap there isn't even that big.

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PuertoRican   United States. Sep 06 2014 00:23. Posts 13030

Rekrul is a newb 

soberstone   United States. Sep 06 2014 00:46. Posts 2662


  On September 05 2014 23:13 Stim_Abuser wrote:
Yea Weidman is a sizable favorite in that fight.

He's basically significantly better at every single aspect of MMA besides BJJ. And the gap there isn't even that big.



Biggest differences are in the cardio, striking technique, and of course wrestling.

Weidman's cardio has been criticized but I promise you it's much better than Jacare's, he was on top the entire time tonight and still looked gassed by the third round.

Jac's striking has only looked so good because his opponents are so worried about getting taken down and he does have big power... not gonna be the case with Weidman. If Jacare tries to wing those huge hooks without setting them up with jabs or kicks (neither of which he does), he's gonna get KO'd or end up on his back, where Weidman is safe.

Finally, Jacare's wrestling from the clinch is great and all, but Weidman is on a whole other level and is younger, bigger, stronger, and has better technique. No way those trips and waist-lock double-legs work on him.

The BJJ simply shouldn't factor into the equation.

I actually favor Rockhold over Jacare too.


JonnyCosMo   United States. Sep 06 2014 01:07. Posts 7292


  On September 05 2014 22:11 PuertoRican wrote:
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Reem's chin didn't fail him this time, he got hit with a shot on a weird part of his head and collapsed, then couldn't recover from the barrage of punches.

Sucks to see Reem lose, but that's life I guess.


  On September 05 2014 22:10 whamm! wrote:
Without the roids Reems strikes didn't seem to hurt Rothwell at all



Reem didn't hit him much in the face. Did he even hit him in the face? He kept going for leg kicks and knees to the stomach.


LOL It's not Overeem's chin that's the problem. I've been saying this forever, the problem is he doesn't like to get hit PERIOD. Like I guess he is a really good MMA fighter in fights where he doesn't get hit. There is not a single fighter on the UFC roster that hates getting hit more than Overeem. He gets hit with a good shot ONCE and his striking output drops to basically zero, he gets super defensive, and is basically a sitting duck in every fight he's fought.

Those arms and that chest, it blinds so many people...

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PuertoRican   United States. Sep 06 2014 02:53. Posts 13030




Original video doesn't work anymore.

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Nazgul    Netherlands. Sep 06 2014 08:02. Posts 7080

I could have gotten a decent freeroll on Overeem and a huge freeroll on Rothwell at one point. I thought I could get even more of a freeroll and didn't go for it. My greed got the better of me, and then the lines started dropping and the freeroll was gone. The entire reason for the bets was the freeroll to begin with. 2014 profits down the drain, sucks.

Happy to see Joe Lauzon winning. I always feel at some point his style (including cardio) is going to be outdated as the level in MMA just keeps going up. He's such an entertaining fighter hope to see him soon again.


  On September 06 2014 00:07 JonnyCosMo wrote:
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LOL It's not Overeem's chin that's the problem. I've been saying this forever, the problem is he doesn't like to get hit PERIOD. Like I guess he is a really good MMA fighter in fights where he doesn't get hit. There is not a single fighter on the UFC roster that hates getting hit more than Overeem. He gets hit with a good shot ONCE and his striking output drops to basically zero, he gets super defensive, and is basically a sitting duck in every fight he's fought.

Those arms and that chest, it blinds so many people...


Seems like a mix of both at the very least. He doesn't deal with getting hit well because he knows he can't endure too much of it.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmoLast edit: 06/09/2014 09:14

TianYuan    Korea (South). Sep 06 2014 10:42. Posts 6817


  On September 06 2014 00:07 JonnyCosMo wrote:
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LOL It's not Overeem's chin that's the problem. I've been saying this forever, the problem is he doesn't like to get hit PERIOD. Like I guess he is a really good MMA fighter in fights where he doesn't get hit. There is not a single fighter on the UFC roster that hates getting hit more than Overeem. He gets hit with a good shot ONCE and his striking output drops to basically zero, he gets super defensive, and is basically a sitting duck in every fight he's fought.

Those arms and that chest, it blinds so many people...


I thought he looked like he was trying to fight with a new style and he just wasn't prepared enough... Like, he kept ending up off balance and just looked sloppy to me, while throwing like 5 million oblique kicks and trying sloppy clinch/shot attempts. Idk, did not look like he was ready.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

Stim_Abuser   United States. Sep 06 2014 10:53. Posts 7499

Overeems randomly switching stances from orthodox to southpaw was very strange. That is only something a fighter should be doing if it's natural to them. Not something you should try to have a 35 year old guy with like 70 professional fights to do in the course of one camp.

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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 07 2014 20:37. Posts 34246

what in the fuck... Overeem has never looked more anxious in his entire career before, Jackson certainly made a big mistake here so sad, its all over for Overeem he is the new Arlovski, it doesnt matter how technically superior you are, if you are going to crumble at the 1st punch

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Sep 08 2014 03:42. Posts 7499


  On September 05 2014 23:46 soberstone wrote:
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Biggest differences are in the cardio, striking technique, and of course wrestling.

Weidman's cardio has been criticized but I promise you it's much better than Jacare's, he was on top the entire time tonight and still looked gassed by the third round.

Jac's striking has only looked so good because his opponents are so worried about getting taken down and he does have big power... not gonna be the case with Weidman. If Jacare tries to wing those huge hooks without setting them up with jabs or kicks (neither of which he does), he's gonna get KO'd or end up on his back, where Weidman is safe.

Finally, Jacare's wrestling from the clinch is great and all, but Weidman is on a whole other level and is younger, bigger, stronger, and has better technique. No way those trips and waist-lock double-legs work on him.

The BJJ simply shouldn't factor into the equation.

I actually favor Rockhold over Jacare too.


Agree with everything.

Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete 

Stim_Abuser   United States. Sep 08 2014 05:45. Posts 7499


  On September 03 2014 21:53 Baalim wrote:
I feel as if Jacare is the one who has to take the fight, all Mousasi has to do is box from the outside and hide from the predictable overhand and not allowing Jacare to throw the overhand in an attempt to bumrush im and press him against the cage.

I think fighting like he did against Latiffi would be bad, that constant low handed jab to stuff takedowns will only get you knocked out by Jacare, I think he should be more diverse since Jacarely never does the GSP takedown that lets you come in with a punch, he is usually the one transitioning from punching to takedowns and not countering with them.



Like to point in fact try to go with the Latiffi strategy. :}

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alejandicto   . Sep 08 2014 11:30. Posts 865

Matt Mitrione must won the Bonus instead of Ben Rothwell IMO.


Baalim   Mexico. Sep 09 2014 01:03. Posts 34246


  On September 08 2014 04:45 Stim_Abuser wrote:
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Like to point in fact try to go with the Latiffi strategy. :}


I always considered Mousasi to have on the highest fighting IQs and Ive been proved absolutely wrong in his fights vs Machida and now Jacare, he fought like an absolute idiot, he fought exactly like vs Latiffi he didnt throw a single right hand after he was exhausted, he kept that ridiculous relaxed wide stance and throwing stupid jabs that never connected and instead of counter-countering Jacares predictable haymakers he just stepped backwards into the smaller cage and got easily dominated there as expected, so dissapointing

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PuertoRican   United States. Sep 09 2014 20:48. Posts 13030


  On September 09 2014 00:03 Baalim wrote:
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I always considered Mousasi to have on the highest fighting IQs



Fuck that puto. Fucking guy is so overrated, I can't believe I even bet him in this spot.

He's one of those guys who was great back in the day, but isn't great today. He can't beat a low volume striker like Machida, and he can't beat a BJJ player who throws bombs because he backs up in a straight line. He won't be able to handle an elite MMA wrestler whenever he faces one.

His wins over Latifi and Munoz aren't impressive either.

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soberstone   United States. Sep 09 2014 21:01. Posts 2662


  On September 09 2014 00:03 Baalim wrote:
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I always considered Mousasi to have on the highest fighting IQs and Ive been proved absolutely wrong in his fights vs Machida and now Jacare, he fought like an absolute idiot, he fought exactly like vs Latiffi he didnt throw a single right hand after he was exhausted, he kept that ridiculous relaxed wide stance and throwing stupid jabs that never connected and instead of counter-countering Jacares predictable haymakers he just stepped backwards into thesmaller cage and got easily dominated there as expected, so dissapointing



Agree'd but the smaller cage thing is a fucking joke. How can they consider themselves a sport with a playing field that fluctuates in size and completely changes the dynamics of a fight. I'm not saying Gegard would have won, but as soon as I found out it was a smaller cage I was like "well that's some fucking bullshit that completely favors one style".


whamm!   Albania. Sep 10 2014 00:48. Posts 11625

fighters should adapt to different environments to be considered the best in the world - like they do in tekken and street fighter
e.g. waterfalls, chinatown, bahamas, fruit market etc.


Stim_Abuser   United States. Sep 10 2014 19:59. Posts 7499


  On September 09 2014 00:03 Baalim wrote:
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I always considered Mousasi to have on the highest fighting IQs and Ive been proved absolutely wrong in his fights vs Machida and now Jacare, he fought like an absolute idiot, he fought exactly like vs Latiffi he didnt throw a single right hand after he was exhausted, he kept that ridiculous relaxed wide stance and throwing stupid jabs that never connected and instead of counter-countering Jacares predictable haymakers he just stepped backwards into the smaller cage and got easily dominated there as expected, so dissapointing



Not sure why you thought that. A lot of his problems stem from his fight IQ. His extremely low volume, his lack of footwork, his almost not trying attitude when in the cage. He's clearly a smart fellow outside of the cage, but he doesn't fight very intelligently imo. Nor does he approach his training very intelligently. As Nazgul pointed out, probably the biggest fight of his life and he trains and some small podunk gym which clearly doesn't have many elite grapplers to spar with. Meh.

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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 10 2014 20:50. Posts 34246

Ive always thought he was smart on the cage and this article helped me cement that idea http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-the-shape-shifting-gegard-mousasi but it seems I was wrong.

And agreed with both you too that his main problem is before the fight, why do stoic fighters do that? Fedor also had the training ideas and it was the cause of his final demise

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2primenumbers   United States. Sep 10 2014 21:16. Posts 199


  On September 09 2014 23:48 whamm! wrote:
fighters should adapt to different environments to be considered the best in the world - like they do in tekken and street fighter
e.g. waterfalls, chinatown, bahamas, fruit market etc.



Closest we've got are the obstacle course games. Maybe if we get a 3rd challenge type we can create the Best in the World Triathletic Event

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