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chris   United States. Aug 14 2014 16:57. Posts 5503
Hey guys.

My car was broken into this morning. The fact this happened is accepted and I am not here to talk about it. I want to talk about the how.

I have a new(er) car with the smart key. I had my car locked remotely and the alarm should, in theory, be set. I go to bed at a little after midnight, and I had seen my car locked just before. At 6:28 AM I got a text from a neighbor saying my doors and trunk were open. I woke to see this text at 7:00.

Sure enough, the trunk was popped and the front windows were down. I initially thought they broke them out until I was close enough to see. I believe you'd have to start the car, or at least initiate the electronics, to lower the window. The alarm never went off.

The police say they haven't seen anything like it before. We have had other break ins on cars in the area recently, but none that had the windows down. The officer said he was certain I had left them down, and that was how the thief got in, but I showed him my auto settings for air conditioner, which I had been using. I had three other people witness and vouch my car was locked and windows were up. I am known for being quite cautious about that sort of thing.

When dealing with my bank today, a teller mentioned she had her newer car broken into a few days ago, herself. She, like myself, had the windows rolled down, no sign of forced entry (my back driver side door was pried open, or half shut, but I did not touch that door, and there were not marks from tools on the paint or seal). She said the police mentioned to her they hadn't seen anything like it, either.

I went to Google and got some results about an app to hack a car used by car thieves, but am not certain what it is, and I haven't finished the articles, but will post them here:

http://abc7chicago.com/archive/8830657/

http://autos.aol.com/article/car-thie...reless-technology-to-break-into-cars/


So I ask you, clever LP - how do you think this was done? How did the car thief access my car and put the windows down. If you think that access didn't deal with the windows being lowered, why and how would the thief then lower the front windows?

We need to assume I am a random target, or at least that it was not personal. I have only one key, and it was in my locked bedroom with me, on my bedside table. I have roommates, they are not suspects.

Need to think about method for gaining access.

It has me really curious.

Specs are a 2013 Dodge Dart SXT. Has one traditional key entry, driver door. It has remote start and a built in alarm. It was parked in front of my condo and under a street light.
It happened between ~ 2am and 6am. Other cars in the lot were hit, most were earlier 2000's models, other new ones had doors popped, but not necessarily a sign of slim-jim (tool used for opening cars). Mine was the only one with windows down.



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lhr0909   China. Aug 14 2014 17:10. Posts 423

I think it is some sort of exploit they use in either the remote software or the key-less entry system. It is similar to a memory leak exploit in software if I had to guess. Once the exploit kicks in the security system probably resets and door is unlocked by that point. Window rolling down could be just one of the side effects of their exploit, because it doesn't make much sense to me either. Seems like if they can make a car security system compromised they don't need to roll down the window.

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mnj   United States. Aug 14 2014 17:12. Posts 3848

This sucks yo. I used to work in risk management and this was a topic that was "theoretically possible" as long as 2-3 years ago :/


napoleono   Romania. Aug 14 2014 17:55. Posts 771

If you lock it through remote control rather than by key (didnt quite understand if its the case, but the car being from 2013 makes it pretty likely), its possible for thieves to get hold of the signal and reproduce it later. And voila, the car is open.


chris   United States. Aug 14 2014 20:05. Posts 5503

I was reading that thieves might be able to get data from dealerships/manufacturers to mimic the frequency and code produced by the FOB, but still not sure what they would use or how, outside of a smart phone. maybe they can get a smart phone to reproduce the signal.

but still, the windows.....

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asdf2000   United States. Aug 14 2014 23:56. Posts 7690

check and see if this works on your car

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/how-to-i...-car-windows-with-the-key-remote.html

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NewbSaibot   United States. Aug 15 2014 02:53. Posts 4943

signal reproduction shouldnt really be possible anymore, even a modern day garage door opener randomizes the signal each time and uses some kind of encryption. Not to say that these things cant be broken somehow, but with the windows being down and everything it looks more like a glitch they have discovered. If they could just unlock your car they would, but instead they left it in a very obvious and peculiar state, which is probably a requirement for the exploit to work without setting off the alarm. They probably initiated some kind of weird factory self-test or something somehow.

bye now 

chris   United States. Aug 15 2014 07:36. Posts 5503

Thanks Travis

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Gnarly   United States. Aug 15 2014 13:32. Posts 1723

if they have fingerprints, a human did it.
if not, then the robots are on the rise...

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Nitewin   United States. Aug 16 2014 03:21. Posts 1539

Just a thought of mine. The keys to my car (bmw 335i) has a function to roll down all car windows if both buttons are pushed simultaneously. The trunk can also be popped using just the key buttons. So if somehow they found a way to duplicate electronic keys, then there you have your answer.


 



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