Interesting Hand between Reinkemeier and Seiver

I thought the K10 shove was borderline awful, but the fold of AA was a lot a lot a loooot worse.

He breaks down the hand perfectly out loud, and he is right. The fact I dislike the K10 shove is because once you break down the hand like it was done, you come up with a lot of those type of hands (and you are gonna have bottom range of those hands) and it's a call often and your equity is gonna suck.

No idea how he managed to fold, mostlikely like said, because of the 1M buyin, TV, payouts, etc.

awesome chat by scott. still terrible fold, but tobias is definitely a boss and probably better than anyone who posts on this site.

ya im sure hes a sicko, and if this hand happens and plays out the same a few hours into day 1 of a 1k wsop on an outer table then suddenly this hand becomes interesting but this just seems like a big stage choke plain and simple

On August 20 2014 06:48 KeyleK_uk wrote: i think its a somewhat interesting fold. Like hes thinking we can assume that Seiver of all people is not going to airball off his tourny here and basically says that the only way you havent got me beat is if you have KT or K9 because he believed in this stage of a million dollar tournament no hand shoves for value that doesnt have him beat, ie kq isn't shoving that turn and AQ is extremelly unlikely also would he shove turn with AsQx, probably not, probably a diffent line somehow. He expects KT to shove turn and be in his range sometimes but feels it is outweighed by the times he is beat, even then it is going to have a flush draw also (esp if K9) so hes not got the had locked where he can just be drawing dead when he calls turn. Obviously he is slightly wrong and the fold is almost definitely incorrect because there is always the chance your calculations to your opponents tendencies are wrong and that in this spot i think he overreps in his head the amout of hands that Seiver shows up with that are going to be better than AA at that point in the hand w/ that action Its interesting because its not like rankeinemeir (lolsp?) was surprised to see KT he thought that would shove he just didnt think anything else would semi-bluff shove and perhaps he was correct with the game flow and the way Seiver is likely to approach this tourament.

Except that any Ac does that too and if you are going to fold to pot sized turn bet on a draw heavy board you are better off just raising the flop, its not even close

On August 20 2014 23:58 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2014 06:48 KeyleK_uk wrote: i think its a somewhat interesting fold. Like hes thinking we can assume that Seiver of all people is not going to airball off his tourny here and basically says that the only way you havent got me beat is if you have KT or K9 because he believed in this stage of a million dollar tournament no hand shoves for value that doesnt have him beat, ie kq isn't shoving that turn and AQ is extremelly unlikely also would he shove turn with AsQx, probably not, probably a diffent line somehow. He expects KT to shove turn and be in his range sometimes but feels it is outweighed by the times he is beat, even then it is going to have a flush draw also (esp if K9) so hes not got the had locked where he can just be drawing dead when he calls turn. Obviously he is slightly wrong and the fold is almost definitely incorrect because there is always the chance your calculations to your opponents tendencies are wrong and that in this spot i think he overreps in his head the amout of hands that Seiver shows up with that are going to be better than AA at that point in the hand w/ that action Its interesting because its not like rankeinemeir (lolsp?) was surprised to see KT he thought that would shove he just didnt think anything else would semi-bluff shove and perhaps he was correct with the game flow and the way Seiver is likely to approach this tourament. Except that any Ac does that too and if you are going to fold to pot sized turn bet on a draw heavy board you are better off just raising the flop, its not even close

I mean of course you guys are right, it is just a choke but was interesting to think about what he was thinking

he was thinking of ICM, equity even if hes ahead, pay jumps, his edge on the table without this hand, his stack after this hand with a good result vs bad result vs statuo quo, etc

On August 21 2014 16:48 careface_ wrote: he was not thinking of ICM, equity even if hes ahead, pay jumps, his edge on the table without this hand, his stack after this hand with a good result vs bad result vs statuo quo, etc

there, fixed it for you

for a second I thought this renkeihems dude was Ragen70, I thought "wtf no way he's doing such a stupid fold"
but then realized it's just a live donkament player, so standard

you guys act like renkemeir is your normal tourney donk. I don't think so. Not defending his play but he is better than all of us probably

^lol

Even good players like reinkemeier choke. but the GOAT never chokes

Chokejoke

On August 24 2014 18:28 traxamillion wrote: you guys act like renkemeir is your normal tourney donk. I don't think so. Not defending his play but he is better than all of us probably

were not commenting on his overall skill level, the guy is playing a 1 mill buy in tourney, he obv is very successful, just talking about this exact moment in the tourney.

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On August 24 2014 18:28 traxamillion wrote: you guys act like renkemeir is your normal tourney donk. I don't think so. Not defending his play but he is better than all of us probably

so what, that doesn't mean we can't amuse ourselves cause he misplayed his hand, its not like people challenging him at HUFOROLLS or smtng :D

what the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

how does he fold

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can scott not have KK? wtf does he even put scott on... a flush? that's ridiculous

chat was rly interesting tho

E: hand comparable to someone folding AA preflop because he doesnt wanna get bad beat? idk not really~_~

Man Scott's chat is so sick. His 1 million dollar tournament life on the line, all in with like 22% equity at best and dude is tanking and you realize you ran into the top of his range. And you can chat like that. Absolutely fucking boss.

Obv terrible fold but I think the chat had a lot to do with it. Scotty just completely mind fucked him with it.

On August 29 2014 17:53 Stim_Abuser wrote: Man Scott's chat is so sick. His 1 million dollar tournament life on the line, all in with like 22% equity at best and dude is tanking and you realize you ran into the top of his range. And you can chat like that. Absolutely fucking boss. Obv terrible fold but I think the chat had a lot to do with it. Scotty just completely mind fucked him with it.

+1

I'm curious what the results would be if neg. and seiver played 100 hu matches. I'm assuming seiver would destroy him, 60-40, but who knows. Talking about nlhe obv.

Thing about this poker age... hard for people to dominate at this game it seems. I read on the news that most the high stakes rape happens in 8games. I think it's great.

Fuck them if they can't take a joke.