Phua Bail-out by Ivey/Robl Countered by ICE

On August 01 2014 15:03 traxamillion wrote: I don't think Ivey and especially ROBL bailed him out to keep the fish in action. They are friends at this point and hang out and take care of each other outside of poker.

this.

Do you actually really think Phua will stay in the USA if he gets bailed out to play poker after being faced which such charges, especially if he s a triad member...

Ivey and Robl don't lose anything cause he ll obviously reimburse them for whatever the bail was.

Anyways how is Robl still playting nosebleeds, isn't he mega terrible

On August 01 2014 15:03 traxamillion wrote: Phua played on tilt as MalACEasia in the 400/800 ante NLHE games not long ago. He lost millions but his winrate actually was relatively not bad considering he played nothing but the top 10 in the world including all the colluding, seat scripting shady russians. He booked a lot of winning sessions and went on a few million dollar runs. Wouldn't be surprised if his live crew advised him to quit those games. I don't think Ivey and especially ROBL bailed him out to keep the fish in action. They are friends at this point and hang out and take care of each other outside of poker.

he's a very smart man and a savvy gambler. tbh if he really tried to beat those games he would be close to breakeven actually, but its so small for him that quite honestly he just doesn't care. and yes, i posted about this earlier--Paul was bailed out with respect, not because he's a fish at all because he is not.

On August 01 2014 16:50 Spitfiree wrote: Anyways how is Robl still playting nosebleeds, isn't he mega terrible

yes the guy who beat highstakes games online for many years and is said to be one of the biggest winners in Macau is confirmed mega terrible, seems pretty clear to me.

Malaceasia was pretty bad and definitelly the reason why nosebleeds online ran at the time, but he probably still has a big edge in any live game

FINE, this took me a while to find out but he did fold

On August 02 2014 06:23 Hoolz_1907 wrote: FINE, this took me a while to find out but he did fold

you need to work on your google-phua

On August 01 2014 16:50 Spitfiree wrote: Anyways how is Robl still playting nosebleeds, isn't he mega terrible

In an earlier sworn affidavit, Robl, who also lives in Las Vegas, said he has been a friend of Paul Phua for four years and planned to cash $1.5 million in poker chips he won at the Aria resort to help cover his bail.

Maybe its just bad reporting, but I found it very weird/surprising that he has that much in chips.

So.. Dwan, Ivey, and Robl are hanging around and rubbing shoulders with high ranking members of a massive international crime syndicate that deals in murder "illegal gambling, loan sharking, money laundering, arms trafficking, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion, counterfeiting and, to a lesser extent, home invasion robberies.[7][8]" (from wiki).

Stay classy top notch poker players, stay classy. Sketchy stuff right there.

I wasn't suggesting Phua was a fish i was actually trying to imply the opposite. He held his own in those games. My comment on his crew advising him to quit those games was just random pure speculation. I was thinking his people would advise him to quit those games not because he was delusional about his skill level or that they didn't think he was the winner. That wasn't what matters. It was more about some of the primarily Russian lineups that were clearly seat scripting and probably sharing hole cards, halving action and probably worse. Why give those dirtbags the action.

To note as a testament to his skill; those games started running 4-5 handed for long stretches of time and half the players that were initially playing him quit his 4/8 games by the end.

Pretty much everyone lost or broke even except tight-man1 (Vogelsang) and Denoking/Wilhasha who ran hot and took the millions

On August 02 2014 10:49 devon06atX wrote: So.. Dwan, Ivey, and Robl are hanging around and rubbing shoulders with high ranking members of a massive international crime syndicate that deals in murder "illegal gambling, loan sharking, money laundering, arms trafficking, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion, counterfeiting and, to a lesser extent, home invasion robberies.[7][8]" (from wiki). Stay classy top notch poker players, stay classy. Sketchy stuff right there.

yeah..
i decided to just avoid making judgement on things i dont really know about

On August 02 2014 10:49 devon06atX wrote: So.. Dwan, Ivey, and Robl are hanging around and rubbing shoulders with high ranking members of a massive international crime syndicate that deals in murder "illegal gambling, loan sharking, money laundering, arms trafficking, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion, counterfeiting and, to a lesser extent, home invasion robberies.[7][8]" (from wiki).

maybe in poker games but not as part of a criminal conspiracy

did you ever hear the quote it doesn't make any difference to me what a man does for a living

On August 02 2014 10:10 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2014 16:50 Spitfiree wrote: Anyways how is Robl still playting nosebleeds, isn't he mega terrible   In an earlier sworn affidavit, Robl, who also lives in Las Vegas, said he has been a friend of Paul Phua for four years and planned to cash $1.5 million in poker chips he won at the Aria resort to help cover his bail. Maybe its just bad reporting, but I found it very weird/surprising that he has that much in chips.

Doesnt seem very weird/surprising. He is known to participating in the Macau-games, where $1million pots are very normal, and Tom Hall wrote on 2+2 about a pot worth over $10mill (didnt say which players, just one western pro and one chinese businessman) and then he is not even in the game when it has played at its highest.

On August 02 2014 17:56 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2014 10:49 devon06atX wrote: So.. Dwan, Ivey, and Robl are hanging around and rubbing shoulders with high ranking members of a massive international crime syndicate that deals in murder "illegal gambling, loan sharking, money laundering, arms trafficking, prostitution, people smuggling, extortion, counterfeiting and, to a lesser extent, home invasion robberies.[7][8]" (from wiki). Stay classy top notch poker players, stay classy. Sketchy stuff right there. yeah.. i decided to just avoid making judgement on things i dont really know about

I doubt just any random guy could get some milly and play the Macau chinese businessmen. I bet they need some kind of connection and someone to vouch for you to get in them. After all think about it, those games are supposedly running for like 2? years now and there is almost no public information whatsoever given out, nor who are the chinese either ( i've only seen the names of 2-3 of them ). That being said - it makes a lot of sense to have such a friend

casino royal but irl

how do you know peachy?

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las...dants-world-cup-case-ordered-released

By JEFF GERMAN LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL With some of the world’s top poker players in the courtroom, a federal magistrate Thursday ordered the release on bail of three key defendants arrested in an alleged World Cup betting scheme. Malaysian junketeer Seng Chen “Richard” Yong, 56, was ordered freed on $1.5 million bail and his son, Wai Kin Yong, 22, was to be released on $500,000 bail. The third defendant, Hong Kong real estate executive Hui Tang, 44, was ordered released on a $1.5 million bond. Professional poker star Phil Ivey, who was in court, agreed to post $500,000 of Richard Yong’s bail and the entire bond for the younger Yong. Afterward, Ivey, a 10-time World Series of Poker champion who lives in Las Vegas, said he stepped forward because the Yongs are personal friends. “I have the utmost respect and trust for them,” Ivey said. Dan Cates, another big-name poker player, agreed to post the remaining $1 million for Richard Yong, who is known for his lucrative casino junket business in Asia and his presence on the poker circuit. Ivey and another professional poker icon, Andrew Robl, previously posted $2.5 million in bail for two other key defendants — Malaysian businessman Wei Seng “Paul” Phu, 50, and his son Darren Wai Kit Phua, 22. FBI agents believe Paul Phua, a frequent poker player in Las Vegas and Macau, was the ringleader of the multimillion-dollar betting operation, which is alleged to have taken illegal bets on the World Cup soccer tournament in Brazil. In a criminal complaint filed in Las Vegas, agents alleged Phua is “known by law enforcement to be a high-ranking member of the 14K Triad,” one of the largest criminal syndicates in the world. His lawyer, David Chesnoff, denies the organized crime ties. Two more poker stalwarts, Gabe Patgorski and Tom Dwan, agreed to allow the Yongs and Tang, respectively, to stay at their homes in their custody. Dwan said he shares Ivey’s respect for the defendants. U.S. Magistrate Judge Bill Hoffman put several restrictions on the three defendants, including electronic monitoring, no gambling and no use of devices that access the Internet. A Las Vegas federal grand jury this week indicted a total of eight defendants in the international betting scheme, which authorities alleged stretched to Macau. The indictment alleges the defendants ran the betting operation from June 6 through their July 13 arrest in Las Vegas. The defendants were taken into custody days after an FBI raid at three exclusive Caesars Palace villas. The Strip resort was not a target of the investigation.

Why would they ban the use of devices w internet for them, if anything it can only help the FBI prove their case considering they re tracking everything ........

this is probably going to pay off huge dividends for the guys who bailed them

On August 16 2014 19:30 Baalim wrote: this is probably going to pay off huge dividends for the guys who bailed them

Yeah exactly. They have taken on small to no risk to have the gratitude of a zillionaire for ever.