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uiCk   Canada. Jul 01 2014 19:35. Posts 3521
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolo...-are-heading-for-a-devastating-crash/


  Following the bull market pattern of the past five years, the U.S. stock market continues to climb to new highs while shaking off all reasons for pessimism as well as the warnings of skeptics. Stock market bulls are becoming increasingly brazen as they drive the market to nosebleed heights, which is convincing a greater number of people into believing in the economic recovery. Unfortunately, the public is being fooled because the U.S. stock market and economy is experiencing another classic central bank-driven bubble that will end in a calamity, erasing trillions of dollars of wealth.



Ya? anyone else read this? care to share some opinions on this (please do read the article, at least partially befor shooting it down, lots of interesting graphs and patterns in there)
I have some economics background, though am a bit of a newb when it comes to stock market specifics.

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mnj   United States. Jul 01 2014 19:38. Posts 3848

i mean just think about it, nothing structurally changed about the US economy yet were hitting record stock closings for the sp500, nasdaq, dow. waht do you think is happening?

unemployment rate is dropping, but if you go google how it's calculated maybe you can see the problem and manipulation in that number. maybe check out some other metrics hint: labor participation rate.

anyway spoiler alert, u got 2 more years to gambol before the US stock exchange takes any real hit. or unless something REALLLY weird happens with oil, and russia, and iran over the next few months

 Last edit: 01/07/2014 19:54

uiCk   Canada. Jul 01 2014 19:55. Posts 3521

unemployment calculations are very lol worthy indeed.

Anyways, looks like Obamas exit will be quite spectacular lol

I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson 

Gnarly   United States. Jul 01 2014 20:10. Posts 1723

Panama canal expansion + keystone XL + lift on export ban of oil/gas + oil/fracking boom + other global things = great economy at least for Texas. Just that alone can guide you to a lot of market ideas.

Diversify or fossilize! 

mnj   United States. Jul 01 2014 22:48. Posts 3848


  On July 01 2014 18:55 uiCk wrote:
unemployment calculations are very lol worthy indeed.

Anyways, looks like Obamas exit will be quite spectacular lol



u should read bill gross's quarterly reports or investor outlooks "Never have investors stooped so low for so little gains"

and if you want to have a real conversation about this kinda stuff, i recommend paul krugman's book "end this recession now". Everything the government does is so scattered. We're printing 90billion a month, but none of that actually enters the market. none of that actually extend any credit. like the government is choosing the worst time to implement so many changes that contract the economy. volcker act, frank-dodd, anything timothy geitner has requested.

the truth of the matter is if we're serious about getting out of this recession, higher taxes and more public (but efficient and focused) spending is what we need to swallow. a hands off austrian approach could lead us to japan where they are now officially crossing into lost decadessssss territory.

go google the the book maybe get the pdf and read it on your way to school or something if you happen to use public transit. anyways i also have an econ background but ended up doing more finance oriented stuff. my dream job though would prob be something more research based in healthcare. like fixing the fucking system lol. that's the thing about economists. they know there's a trade off. its either these top 3% or these 40% of people are going to benefit. that's the trade off. but we don't really like to say one's more important than the other. we don't really have the audacity to asssume absolute moral dictatorship and call one's needs superior to the others. but i guess lawyers and congressman seem to do that job just fineeeee

 Last edit: 01/07/2014 22:52

julep   Australia. Jul 02 2014 16:04. Posts 1274

nowhere near the top. imo. even tho i think the whole thing is a house of cards.


spets1   Australia. Jul 03 2014 03:34. Posts 2179

they are printing like 80 billion dollars a month to sustain the bubble. its gonna collapse, but the guess is when?

hola 

mnj   United States. Jul 03 2014 12:00. Posts 3848


  On July 03 2014 02:34 spets1 wrote:
they are printing like 80 billion dollars a month to sustain the bubble. its gonna collapse, but the guess is when?



2 years bro, read a newspaper


julep   Australia. Jul 03 2014 13:01. Posts 1274


  On July 03 2014 11:00 mnj wrote:
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2 years bro, read a newspaper


where did you get this from? & lol @ your thinking


traxamillion   United States. Jul 04 2014 15:27. Posts 10468

Anyone know what Draper bought those 30,000 bitcoins for at auction? I assume under the retail of 18 million


Gnarly   United States. Jul 05 2014 01:23. Posts 1723

>us stock market thread
>talks about bitcoins

Diversify or fossilize! 

casinocasino   Canada. Jul 05 2014 04:19. Posts 3343

US is preparing for a transition into a more standard electrical means of transport; the next 5-6 years will be a good time to invest in a electric car. proceeding with a recession where petroleum is going to significantly up in price which will leverage North America to gain a massive lead against the developing world, mainly China. With that said a higher petroleum dollar will impact everyone, mainly food prices which will be stagnantly high due to rising transportation costs.

I would not invest in sp500, I think its clearly over-priced, and while the margins have room for growth the risk is too high to manage. I would steer away from most financials for the same reason.

I like basic commodities, companies like Tesla, SCTY, BMW, I like a hedge with gold, and in general would recommend to try to a live a more self-sustainable way of life.

 Last edit: 05/07/2014 04:20

Gnarly   United States. Jul 05 2014 11:55. Posts 1723

nah, TSLA is bubbling right now, maybe even have popped already. Electric won't be able to compete with fuel cells, which we get from natural gas, which is what I was kinda referring to in my first post in this thread.

>hedging with gold

It MAY go up to 1500-1600 again, but that's it. After that, it's going back down to pre-bloated levels. (aka: <400)

Diversify or fossilize! 

2primenumbers   United States. Jul 05 2014 12:07. Posts 199

My portfolio is long gamma

gamma = "a general change in the price level of the given market."

Right now I believe the market to be crazy overpriced. Therefore I expect the general price level to go down, very very down... at some point in the future. My action is to purchase far out of the money put options. I am long gamma.

I have some money in equities because it sucks to miss the up.....

www.youtube.com/RichardGamingo - All of your commentated gaming entertainment.Last edit: 05/07/2014 12:09

casinocasino   Canada. Jul 05 2014 19:07. Posts 3343

Gnarly trading expert


Romm3l   Germany. Jul 06 2014 05:48. Posts 285


  On July 03 2014 11:00 mnj wrote:
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2 years bro, read a newspaper

big lol at knowing what markets are going to do and when.. why are u not a billionaire yet?

with sharp techniques nobody else on earth is doing like "reading a newspaper" its only a matter of time surely


mnj   United States. Jul 07 2014 21:59. Posts 3848

i mean the feds basically said tehy are looking to keep interest low for the next 2 years...not like the new record lvl sp500/DJIA represent any real growth? i'm not sure if i'm getting reverse trolled or not


Romm3l   Germany. Jul 13 2014 05:57. Posts 285

what makes you so sure that reasonable future riskfree interest rate expectations aren't already priced into current equities levels? Do you think you're the only person who figured out higher risk free rate should push down equity valuation multiples ceteris paribus? surely there must be other people who are aware of this.

as it turns out, equities are instantly making broad moves every time yellen or draghi so much as sneeze in a funny way. if you think you have an edge on the smart money then best of luck to you and i expect you to put your money where your mouth is shortly

 Last edit: 13/07/2014 06:12

uiCk   Canada. Aug 24 2015 23:36. Posts 3521

sup sup (Gobal) QE, whats good

I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike TysonLast edit: 24/08/2015 23:43

 



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