UFC 175: Weidman vs. Machida

wut, Silva was more dominant than Weidman in reign and so was GSP, dominant champions attract people but they need to build their brand first it takes time.

Also Rousey has 2 dangerous opponents but Dana wont sign them Chris Cyborg and Holly Holm

mike dolce is a scam artist FWIW. guy is uneducated and just spouts nonsense.



"what do you usually have for breakfast?" "egg white sausage and a bunch of veggies" "GET RID OF THAT CRAP FOR A BUNCH OF CARBS IN A BOWL"

"GETS THE BLOOD PUMPING, GETS THE BRAIN TURNED ON"

"CAVEMEN USED TO EAT CHIA SEEDS"

its a joke. he has no clue what hes doing. hes definitely a pretty great motivator, but hes delusional and uneducated

re: weidman, hes ridiculous. people think hes gassed yet he takes lyoto's back in round 5. if machida had tried to be more aggressive early i think he gets KOed quite often. its just so hard to fight a guy who has great boxing, great power, great wrestling and is deadly on the ground. machida basically fought him as well as he possibly could have and won 1 round.

all of the champions, barao and mendes are just so ridiculously talented right now. funny that welterweight is the most interesting division now after years of dominance

On July 07 2014 13:36 Daut wrote: mike dolce is a scam artist FWIW. guy is uneducated and just spouts nonsense. its a joke. he has no clue what hes doing. hes definitely a pretty great motivator, but hes delusional and uneducated

You gotta respect his hustle though.

He went from a failed MMA fighter, to an MMA nutritionist, to UFC's official spokesman and creator of UFC Fit. Pretty sick.

As long as he always gets fighters to make weight the right way, MMA fighters (at least in the UFC) can't deny he is doing something right, because many of them would have continued to hurt their bodies and fail to make weight without his help.

Agree with Daut, something just seemed off. Didn't know his camp was bad when I posted my thoughts.
I was on the hype train of Weidman the first time I saw a interview with him. He just seems to be one of a kind in terms of inner toughness. Jones is super great, too I think he is way more naturally gifted, tho. Seems designed for fighting and I believe he had the easier way to the top due to that.
Both super impressive, love that there is so much fighting art in the game after so few years of mixing it mma style.

And I also agree that Dolce has weird knowledge of what a caveman diet is and that plastic bowls and spoons plus Walmart ingredients are inexpensive but def. not worth advocating to professional or aspiring athletes.
I firmly believe that Paleo/Primal is a great and up-to-date approach to nutrition. On the other hand I was raised and brought up with bread, pizza, pasta etc. and I still somehow developed a physic, had success in Starcraft and Poker etc.
Naturally there are circles where ppl go way overboard. Wheat seems to be harmful but maybe not as much as ppl make it out to be right now. Oatmeal hot water, berries some coconut stuff.. It's not that bad esp. if the fighter work out that much. Carbohydrates have a place in a good meal plan, oatmeal is debatable tho.

I was referring to Dolce mainly because he gets fighter "easy" to be at their weight and they perform well in their fights.
Maybe its a fine diet for these extreme workout ppl, maybe its sup-optimal. In terms of success he might have found something that is unconventional but works, I give him the benefit of the doubt.

Yea it seems that there isn't much to the Dolce diet. It's just paleo with a few small alterations. Most of Dolces success probably comes from the fact that he lives with fighters, cooks all their meals etc. So he can properly monitor their diet. Surprised you don't see more nutritionists doing this with fighters.

And although Dolce is his biggest promoter, almost everyone who works with him gives him very high praise and say they felt the best they ever have. Though most of them are probably guys with shit nutrition which caused them to have the problem in the first place.

I felt like Machida got tagged everytime in the early rounds when he attempted to counter... Wish he'd add a little bit more head movement (he has more than someone like Kikuno thankfully). I did think he used some more of head movement in the later rounds, along with Weidman slowing down (gastank + body shots, which is like the only thing Machida did land in the early rounds).

Btw, just me or was Weidman using the 'trademark' Machida stepping knee a ton this fight (while also being super super prepared to counter it everytime Machida tried it for himself)?

I dont understand why Weidmans striking is so effective, on paper it seems so limited and slow, he barely throws any jabs and mostly throws 1,2 hooks that seem weak yet have so much power, also he has ok footwork he doesnt make sloppy rushes and keeps his balance at all times, everything seem ok but not good enough to dominate good strikers, I honestly dont get it

Against Machida, Weidman was aggressive and kept backing Machida up and barely let him kick as much as he's used to. Machida always had to worry about the take down too.

Being backed up against the cage and having to worry about take downs is a nightmare for a karate style fighter who isn't known for being the most active fighter in the cage. The only way Machida was able to do anything to Weidman was in the 4th round when he opened up and was willing to exchange and get hit in the face. He doesn't usually have to take one to give one against other fighters.

On July 08 2014 11:29 Baalim wrote: I dont understand why Weidmans striking is so effective, on paper it seems so limited and slow, he barely throws any jabs and mostly throws 1,2 hooks that seem weak yet have so much power, also he has ok footwork he doesnt make sloppy rushes and keeps his balance at all times, everything seem ok but not good enough to dominate good strikers, I honestly dont get it

-moves forward, but doesnt chase
-doesnt give any major openings
-is patient but has good timing
-hits hard
-people worried about his takedowns
-very good knees/elbows/kicks and clinch striking

his ranged boxing is so so simple but it complements his entire game very very well.

You just described an OK fighter, not a guy who crushes the two best strikers in middle weight, it still puzzles me why those clumsy predictable hooks land every time and causing so much damage, maybe he has insane timing.

Maybe he performs really well against counter strikers who are used to bum rushes and people over extending their punches which is very common in MMA, I think it would be interesting seeing him against somebody with an aggressive outside striking game, somebody with a solid jab Rory Macdonald style.

Finally got to watch the fight even though I was in vegas this past weekend lol. Chris Weidman is fucking good. The way he handled the distancing in the first 3 rounds of the fight and his frequency of kicks and punches were impeccable. To those that say Machida could have won if he fought first 3 rounds like he did in the 4th and 5th is mistaken. Chris was tired and slowed down, that's all it was. Machida had better cardio. It is Chris' first fight that went past 3 rounds and if he worked harder on his cardio (not to mention he cuts a shit load of weight) he's basically unstoppable, Machida woulda lost every round instead. Godamn what a beast, I can't wait till he fights Vitor and hopefully destroys him.

On July 08 2014 19:58 Baalim wrote: You just described an OK fighter, not a guy who crushes the two best strikers in middle weight, it still puzzles me why those clumsy predictable hooks land every time and causing so much damage, maybe he has insane timing. Maybe he performs really well against counter strikers who are used to bum rushes and people over extending their punches which is very common in MMA, I think it would be interesting seeing him against somebody with an aggressive outside striking game, somebody with a solid jab Rory Macdonald style.

Problem with that is, Chris has some of the best reach in the division. His reach was longer than Andersons.

Also two very important points to add to Dauts list

Distance - With some of the longest reach in the division Weidman uses it very well. He's great at being at his range when he's ready to attack and not being in yours when you try to. He's very good at using distance in fights.

Timing - His timing his impeccable.

Neither Jon Jones was able to hit Machida in the first round like Weidman did. :S

I still thinks Belfort have chances against Weidman, cause the styles. If Weidman defends his title 3 more times I want to see him against Jones, the good thing about Chris is that he loves testing himself and dont refuse a fight like Silva and Jones. He also says he wanted to fight Jones a long time ago, I think.

even chael dropped some bombs on silvas chin. If you have strong wrestling, it changes the whole dynamics of the striking game.

I honestly can't see belfort doing anything against Weidman. The way I picture it, it just takes one take down for Weidman make him tired and kill his 'eagerness' to attack. Maybe he will even just pressure Belfort and KO him standing, who knows. The way UFC champs are, right now, it seems like they are all unbeatable and I don't expect them to lose, until they lose and look like ordinary fighters.

On July 10 2014 10:12 Raidern wrote: I honestly can't see belfort doing anything against Weidman. The way I picture it, it just takes one take down for Weidman make him tired and kill his 'eagerness' to attack. Maybe he will even just pressure Belfort and KO him standing, who knows. The way UFC champs are, right now, it seems like they are all unbeatable and I don't expect them to lose, until they lose and look like ordinary fighters.

pettis can pretty easily lose to melendez and a few other 155ers.
aldo can lose to mendes
hendricks can lose to rory
dillashaw can lose to barao
cain/jones/weidman/DJ/rousey are basically unbeatable in their current divisions though

On July 10 2014 12:15 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2014 10:12 Raidern wrote: I honestly can't see belfort doing anything against Weidman. The way I picture it, it just takes one take down for Weidman make him tired and kill his 'eagerness' to attack. Maybe he will even just pressure Belfort and KO him standing, who knows. The way UFC champs are, right now, it seems like they are all unbeatable and I don't expect them to lose, until they lose and look like ordinary fighters. pettis can pretty easily lose to melendez and a few other 155ers. aldo can lose to mendes hendricks can lose to rory dillashaw can lose to barao cain/jones/weidman/DJ/rousey are basically unbeatable in their current divisions though

Barao is an idiot for accepting the rematch in Sacramento, and with only 3 months to prepare for the rematch.

The UFC doesn't want Barao to win the rematch. Dillashaw is way more marketable, and since Cruz is coming back against Mizugaki later this year, Dillashaw can fight Cruz after that and then the winner of that fights Faber. It will bring some nice money to the UFC if they market it right, which I'm sure they will.

I'm a JBJ fanboy, but I don't see him beating Gustafson in the rematch and even if he does then Cormier is still has a chance.
I don't see Pettis losing any time soon. He has sick work ethics and improves so much with each new fight.

On July 10 2014 14:45 Spitfiree wrote: I'm a JBJ fanboy, but I don't see him beating Gustafson in the rematch and even if he does then Cormier is still has a chance. I don't see Pettis losing any time soon. He has sick work ethics and improves so much with each new fight.

Jones or someone in his camp said that he didn't train hard for his fight against Gustafsson, due to him not being that big of a name and basically taking Gustafsson lightly. Jones wanted to face Cormier first instead of doing the rematch with Gustafsson since he knew that if he can beat Gustafsson without training hard for it, he can beat him again with his best effort.

IMO, I think this will be one of those instances where people are so excited to see the rematch and expect Gustafsson to improve in a couple areas and beat Jon Jones, but I don't think that's the case. I'll have a nice sized bet on Jon Jones, I'm just waiting to see the line get better for Jon Jones after all of the Gustaffson fans and Jones haters bet on the Swede.