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TimDawg    United States. Jun 18 2014 17:38. Posts 10197

So this hand happened in the 1500 6 max event at the WSOP. For now I'm not going to post what I had but we will assume Hero in this hand is me.

So villain has been at the table for a couple of hours so far. Definitely long enough to get a feel for how I'm playing. I've been running hot and playing really loose but generally showing down good hands and not really getting out of line. I would say he views me as a good player but one capable of making moves sometimes.

So my views on him are pretty similar. I think he was an American reg who seemed to come from an online background. He was playing pretty solid I guess. Maybe a bit on the tighter side for 6 max but def not a huge nit or anything.

Blinds are 100/200, stack sizes are:

Villain: roughly 7k

Hero: covers

folds to Hero in the SB, who raises to 450

Villain flats in BB

Pot: 900

Flop is

2s 9c 5h

Hero check/calls a bet of 550

Pot: 2000

Turn

2s 9c 5h Tc

goes check/check

River

2s 9c 5h Tc 4c

Hero checks, Villain bets 1200

Hero thinks for a bit and shoves all in.


So what do you guys think both, Hero and Villains ranges are in this spot? What's the weakest hand you call with in Villain's spot?

Thanks in advance for responses.

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casinocasino   Canada. Jun 18 2014 20:11. Posts 3343

Providing your own stack size, the current average, and the starting stack would also be relevant information.

"one capable of making moves sometimes."
this is often thrown around very loosely, did he actually see you making a move? Did you show down anything even remotely out of line to make him think that?

because if yes I would say this is a bad play with air/blockers.

 Last edit: 18/06/2014 20:12

TimDawg    United States. Jun 18 2014 23:57. Posts 10197


  On June 18 2014 19:11 casinocasino wrote:
Providing your own stack size, the current average, and the starting stack would also be relevant information.

"one capable of making moves sometimes."
this is often thrown around very loosely, did he actually see you making a move? Did you show down anything even remotely out of line to make him think that?

because if yes I would say this is a bad play with air/blockers.


I have about 13-14k before the hand. The average is about what he has or a bit less I think. We started with 4500 in chips to begin the tournament. We are still pretty far from the money.

No, he didn't actually see a hand of mine shown down that would indicate this type of thinking. What I mean really is that he's seen me 3bet a good amount, barrel off in some spots and maybe c/r in certain spots...but none of those hands were shown down. So I'm just saying it's likely he suspects I've been light in spots..idk (he might also just think I've had it every time)

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JohnnyBologna   United States. Jun 19 2014 23:24. Posts 1401

This hand looks very fishy from your part and i cant help but think the hand you played with hutter has something to do with this. You check CALL flop after raising pre. This is the first thing that didnt make sense to me.

If you had any type of hand i would imagine a bet would be better than.. A check call... Unless you have a very big hand, in which you beleive if you check to him, he will barrell away.

He checks back turn though. So he has less than a pair nines.

Your river check raise seems fishy and is second thing that didnt make sense. Backdoor flush/straight set of 4s and all various types of two pairs all call you. If you did take the sneaky route with a made hand, i still hate it because all these hands would raise you all in after a river bet anyway.

So yeah... Hate the play if you had a hand. Hate it if you have some ace high that wanted a showdown and decided to try and blow him off his hand because your just praying he folds, and the times he does call, will make you miserable for the remainder of the night.


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TimDawg    United States. Jun 20 2014 01:51. Posts 10197


  On June 19 2014 22:24 JohnnyBologna wrote:
This hand looks very fishy from your part and i cant help but think the hand you played with hutter has something to do with this


This hand was actually played before that one

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JohnnyBologna   United States. Jun 20 2014 04:24. Posts 1401

Dble post


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thewh00sel    United States. Jun 20 2014 12:27. Posts 2734

hero value range 5Xcc 2Xcc, maybe 54 prob not T9 seems like it would bet flop. honestly I'd bet flop with the 5x 2x hands too since Ace highs and a million other hands float the flop blind vs blind but I'm just assuming you'd check those bc otherwise I can't think of any value hands you could have on the river except big AX's with clubs.

Villain can have any 5 any 9 or better. Prob no flushes unless he also had a pair on the flop. So I guess he's capped and you're not, but you're repping quite a narrow range of backdoor nut flushes. Tough spot for him, and probably a good shove if you had AcX or the actual flush. I'd expect not to get hero'd by much since he still has 4800 left if he folds.

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n0rthf4ce    United States. Jun 20 2014 20:56. Posts 8119

i think you mostly have bluffs of some sort and i also think he mostly folds. don't put you on any slowplays on flop as you're a good stackdepth to bet/bet/shove. what's left is mostly Axcc type hands that make nut flush on river. however, once you've gotten to river i don't think you expect him to bet that often, and even less so be able to withstand a c/r, which is why i think you're gonna bet most of your value hands. i also don't expect him to think about any of this tbh and expect him to fold a decent amount. i guess if i had to guess the best hand to bluff with its Ac6x, although i would expect you to bet flop w/ this hand sometimes and also c/f most of the time too. i guess 5c6x or 5c7x makes sense too

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GoldRush   United States. Jun 22 2014 19:19. Posts 1025

itsa good line for set aces and A3, i assume ur gonna x/x the clubs after flop action too.

I'd have to be in the moment, but for 30bb, i assume im not folding the top medium part of my calling range. i'd prolly fold out most 5x hands and maybe some 9x hands though.


GoldRush   United States. Jun 22 2014 19:22. Posts 1025

wouldn't be surprised to see you flip KThh type hands here too, as well as those Ace club hands etc


Rapoza   Brasil. Jun 24 2014 11:46. Posts 1612

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PoorUser    United States. Jun 29 2014 04:34. Posts 7471

hero looks like a5cc'ish hands and sets i guess. other guy can have a bunch of value and bluff hands alike and isnt calling with much.

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TimDawg    United States. Aug 11 2014 08:28. Posts 10197


  On June 20 2014 19:56 n0rthf4ce wrote:
i think you mostly have bluffs of some sort and i also think he mostly folds. don't put you on any slowplays on flop as you're a good stackdepth to bet/bet/shove. what's left is mostly Axcc type hands that make nut flush on river. however, once you've gotten to river i don't think you expect him to bet that often, and even less so be able to withstand a c/r, which is why i think you're gonna bet most of your value hands. i also don't expect him to think about any of this tbh and expect him to fold a decent amount. i guess if i had to guess the best hand to bluff with its Ac6x, although i would expect you to bet flop w/ this hand sometimes and also c/f most of the time too. i guess 5c6x or 5c7x makes sense too


Just wanted to quote this because your posts are so awesome. Completely agree with everything you said here

Villain ended up tanking for a long time (solid 5 min) and folded

I had Ac 2d

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TimDawg    United States. Aug 11 2014 08:30. Posts 10197

Really a shitty spot on the flop and hard to continue on turn/river regardless of what I do

Folding preflop makes it easier

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