do u try and change? or accept who you are

Change

“Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habit. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.”

- Lao Tzu

Saw about your knee injury, time to become the bench/curl bro.

Also, taking 6 weeks "off" for an injury is a terrible idea and the trademark of imcompetent doctors. If you are not going into surgery and there is no visible edema, you should already be started on some sort of rehab.

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I was in sales. Goals - small ones, big ones, large ones. Affirmations, positive attitude, replacing negative thoughts, having an image of better self in mind all the time. That was my day to day.
Now it feels like I was like a doctor changing the symptoms without trying to get to understand the cause.

In the last couple months I'm finding something with more substance - and attempt to understanding self and how things are, and once you do then you can do literally anything you want if you theoretically succeed (impossible, it's like "long run" in poker". I doubt the mind can ever fully grasp many concepts like time space etc. it can talk about them, just not fully understand them. You can merely move closer to this state)

Like Buddhists attempt to arrive at this and arrive at the illusion (from my limited perspective of it being impossible - you'd need to see to quark level and through space-time, something like Dr.Manhattan) that they are no longer directed by their sub conscious, instead they are observers that see things exactly as they are.

You attempt to get to the root of suffering and emotion, attempt to understand it, still feeling emotions, greed, pain, hate etc. but you observe them at a higher, rational, level of thinking (the "non-self" ) and they become nothing more than another thing you observe like a tree, a record playing, or a Swedish model taking her shirt off last night in my room.

The further you come and closer to this impossibly perfect state of mind, the more you understand yourself and how things work and how to change them. Then you can make your mind feel anything and yourself do anything, knowing what's important, again using goals, attaching value to something etc.
If you'll still think those things matter that is, Buddhists say that getting rid of attachment to anything altogether and living without the self/ego is the only way to avoid suffering and is the desirable end state.


I started reading into this some 5years ago when I looked into Standard Economic Model and how it's wrong with actual people (via behavioral finance at first) at uni , and the more I learn and more I think about it the more it feels like that the only thing I know for certain is that I don't know anything for certain

To answer your question though - the end state is of course that you fully understand and accept yourself, nothing like guilt or failure is good or bad anymore, it just is.

I accept who am I and let life do whatever it has to. I dont think you can focus on deliberate change. Just let it flow and see what happens

On June 06 2014 00:18 GoTuNk wrote: “Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habit. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.” - Lao Tzu

nice quote

Yeah great quote. I've read it somewhere before probably from his blog

I also think thoughts are pretty important so I always try to think in a better way if I find myself thinking only the negative aspects of a situation. Unless of course theres no upsides, I don't deliberatly try to make myself delusional.

the thing is you're always changing even if you're not the one steering

On June 06 2014 09:10 locoo wrote: Yeah great quote. I've read it somewhere before probably from his blog I also think thoughts are pretty important so I always try to think in a better way if I find myself thinking only the negative aspects of a situation. Unless of course theres no upsides, I don't deliberatly try to make myself delusional.

you've read Lao Tzu's blog? lol wat

On June 06 2014 00:18 GoTuNk wrote: “Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habit. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.” - Lao Tzu Saw about your knee injury, time to become the bench/curl bro. Also, taking 6 weeks "off" for an injury is a terrible idea and the trademark of imcompetent doctors. If you are not going into surgery and there is no visible edema, you should already be started on some sort of rehab.

bro i know how hardcore you are, but i'm in crutches. there isn't much swelling but anytime i put any pressure on my knee, it literally feels like it's going to bend towards the inside of the knee and snap off.

it feels like wobbly_au

Do change, and I do it by focusing on the idea of "do it now" when better-thing-to-do "X" comes to mind. Then I evolved into using schedule and routine, because it is just so much easier.

I hope you do at least body weight exercises -- hell, sitting down and extending the leg is going to be 100x better for you in the long run, and of course 100x more painful in the short term.

change is hard. i have tried to change and mostly i fail. sometimes i can take some small steps in the direction of my goal and that still improves my life.

try. if you don't try, what's the point?

i believe that a person is a strong product of their environment. If you surround yourself with lazy negative people all the time, it rubs off on you. you start to try less and become unmotivated. You stop trying and dont fight the laziness anymore. If everyone on LP was lazy degens, part of it would probably rub off on me until i leave and break the habit. But IF you see everyone on LP is a RICH degen, then that motivates you to have money and spend it like no object so you can do whatever you want.

On June 06 2014 18:24 chris wrote: change is hard. i have tried to change and mostly i fail. sometimes i can take some small steps in the direction of my goal and that still improves my life. try. if you don't try, what's the point?

im here in your boat. but it feels like no change is monumental. all my change is limited to these suffocating constrictions. and because of that it feels like illusions of change. maximizing ur (as in mine). so there is now change and why bother?

i've been trying, it's tough.. so often I want to be lazy and spend my days in bed.

On June 06 2014 19:29 JohnnyBologna wrote: i believe that a person is a strong product of their environment. If you surround yourself with lazy negative people all the time, it rubs off on you. you start to try less and become unmotivated. You stop trying and dont fight the laziness anymore. If everyone on LP was lazy degens, part of it would probably rub off on me until i leave and break the habit. But IF you see everyone on LP is a RICH degen, then that motivates you to have money and spend it like no object so you can do whatever you want.

definitely. Moving somewhere new, and distancing myself from disruptive people in my life has always been a ++ev decision.

On June 06 2014 20:10 k4ir0s wrote: i've been trying, it's tough.. so often I want to be lazy and spend my days in bed. Show nested quote + On June 06 2014 19:29 JohnnyBologna wrote: i believe that a person is a strong product of their environment. If you surround yourself with lazy negative people all the time, it rubs off on you. you start to try less and become unmotivated. You stop trying and dont fight the laziness anymore. If everyone on LP was lazy degens, part of it would probably rub off on me until i leave and break the habit. But IF you see everyone on LP is a RICH degen, then that motivates you to have money and spend it like no object so you can do whatever you want. definitely. Moving somewhere new, and distancing myself from disruptive people in my life has always been a ++ev decision.

i keep expecting to see byrne in the news, about him becoming a millionaire since leaving LP

If anyone on LP deserves to hit it rich, I think it would be Byrne. Or possibly spets.

The rest of us are just assholes.