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enfant   Bulgaria. Apr 21 2014 04:22. Posts 388

Player that I have not seen so far, just 14 hands on him. I find myself losing a lot of pots in these situatiations. What do you do here?

Submitted by : enfant

***** Hand History for Game 115087453183 ***** Poker Stars
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, April 21, 03:46:36 ET 2014
Table Hydra Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: DamoNics $13.90 USD
Seat 2: Hero $69.53 USD
Seat 3: vanya020602 $4.95 USD
Seat 4: PUTEVOI $102.66 USD
Seat 5: pokerbet1980 $37.23 USD
Seat 6: Royminator $14.21 USD
Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
vanya020602 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [QsQd ]
PUTEVOI raises [$0.60 USD]
pokerbet1980 folds
Royminator folds
DamoNics calls [$0.60 USD]
Hero raises [$2.65 USD]
vanya020602 folds
PUTEVOI calls [$2.15 USD]
DamoNics folds

Flop (Pot : $6.25)

   8dJs4d
Hero bets [$3.80 USD]
PUTEVOI raises [$8.20 USD]

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X Sliggy   Australia. Apr 21 2014 05:00. Posts 742

Tough spot.
No reads I think I'm shoving. His range has more AJ in it than KK/AA. Any two diamonds he could potentially shove. Given he has position he might have a few more of those in his range. A few straight draws are possible, and since he expects you to cbet all your AQ and AK here he probably thinks he has a lot of fold equity. You're at the top of your range here so I think you're folding too much here if you release this hand. In 3bet pots stackoffs with strong pairs are quite common.

sup 

X Sliggy   Australia. Apr 21 2014 05:16. Posts 742

I just realized that you're deep -.-
Disregard my opinion. Deep I think a pot control line would be my play but I don't think that's very good.
Curious what others think.

supLast edit: 21/04/2014 05:19

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 21 2014 06:30. Posts 9634

I usually end up shoving here and regretting it afterwards, sure his range isnt only hands that beat us, but the majority are 88,JJ,KK+. Its a flip vs AKdd & 9Ts and i d prefer a pot control line too, cuz there s no reason to play with huge variance


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 21 2014 07:17. Posts 15163

flat never raise that seems lolbad
play poker ott, prolly can fold to a large bet v unknown

93% Sure! Last edit: 21/04/2014 07:18

K40Cheddar   United States. Apr 22 2014 19:04. Posts 2202

why is your 3bet pre so damn small

GG 

fira   United States. Apr 23 2014 00:14. Posts 6345

i'd start off with a call. on a total blank turn i might ck/shove, ck/call, or lead (pretty undecided here). on diamond turns i'd probably ck/call, and on bad turns (Jo, Ko, Ao) i'd ck/fold. i imagine this plan is pretty standard/undefined

agree that your 3bet pre is too small


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Apr 23 2014 01:27. Posts 8646

i'd do a bunch of calling until the hand is over

unless the board started to suck, then i'd fold if he bet too much

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soberstone   United States. Apr 27 2014 20:26. Posts 2662


  On April 22 2014 23:14 fira wrote:
i'd start off with a call. on a total blank turn i might ck/shove, ck/call, or lead (pretty undecided here). on diamond turns i'd probably ck/call, and on bad turns (Jo, Ko, Ao) i'd ck/fold. i imagine this plan is pretty standard/undefined

agree that your 3bet pre is too small



meh nm I have no clue

 Last edit: 27/04/2014 20:27

NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 27 2014 23:16. Posts 4943

How is hero's 3bet pre small? He raised almost 4x. Anyway villain basically minraised you postflop which looks kinda suspect to me. I'd just flat his dinky flop raise and then check/call through river. In zoom I see a lot of players make these 2.2x raises and stuff to kinda see where they're at. Basically a super cheap bluff.

bye now 

fira   United States. Apr 29 2014 07:27. Posts 6345


  On April 27 2014 22:16 NewbSaibot wrote:
How is hero's 3bet pre small? He raised almost 4x.


it seems small for an oop squeeze. i'd make it $3 - $3.3 if i'm hoping to get any folds


K40Cheddar   United States. Apr 30 2014 19:14. Posts 2202


  On April 27 2014 22:16 NewbSaibot wrote:
How is hero's 3bet pre small?



10bb preflop 3bet with a raise and caller behind being 200bb + deep. You are just asking to get set mined or drawn on without forcing the others to put much in the pot. Seems like making this thing like $3.75-$4.25 is going to be much more effective here. If villain has a relatively playable hand I'm pretty sure he would still call here as he did in the hand.

GGLast edit: 30/04/2014 19:17

GoldRush   United States. May 02 2014 18:37. Posts 1025

3bbet bigger

flat this raise, lead turn is good, if he raises u can fold comfortable, if he flats u can value river.

c/x c/f vs nittier players or players that have no spice


NewbSaibot   United States. May 02 2014 20:07. Posts 4943


  On April 30 2014 18:14 K40Cheddar wrote:
Show nested quote +



10bb preflop 3bet with a raise and caller behind being 200bb + deep. You are just asking to get set mined or drawn on without forcing the others to put much in the pot. Seems like making this thing like $3.75-$4.25 is going to be much more effective here. If villain has a relatively playable hand I'm pretty sure he would still call here as he did in the hand.
Whats your flop bet size going to be like after this, just normal 3/4 or are we still making punishing bets?

bye now 

K40Cheddar   United States. May 06 2014 21:33. Posts 2202


  On April 27 2014 22:16 NewbSaibot wrote:
Whats your flop bet size going to be like after this, just normal 3/4 or are we still making punishing bets?



I think you could make arguments for a lot of different sizings on the flop this deep. I'd probably be more inclined to go like 1/2-2/3 but I don't really see anything wrong with bigger. I think if the preflop 3bet is made bigger hero would have a much easier time identifying villain's range.

GGLast edit: 06/05/2014 21:44

 



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