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Mortensen8   Chad. Apr 12 2014 12:40. Posts 1841

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...lawsuit-Gambler-cheated-won-9-6M.html

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longple    Sweden. Apr 12 2014 12:54. Posts 4472

isnt this very old?

or is he getting accused/sued again?


nolan   Ireland. Apr 12 2014 13:29. Posts 6205


  On April 12 2014 11:54 longple wrote:
isnt this very old?

or is he getting accused/sued again?



Not thoroughly versed in it, but my understanding is that there are 2 new lawsuits on top of the old one filed by some UK casino all making the same claim + providing more insight. An AC casino and some unnamed casino owned by a Malaysian company both allege similar things to the UK casino.

Allegedly a certain card company had some kind of small defect on the back of the cards so if they were faced a certain way you would know it could only be a certain couple cards. No idea exactly what they're saying but apparently a "small circle representing a diamond" on the design on the back of the cards was only a half-diamond on certain cards. They're calling it "edge sorting" and note that Ivey requested a shuffling machine as opposed to hand shuffling (apparently so all the cards would be facing the same direction and not have random upside-down cards so he could read what card it is by the defect on the back).

It sort of sounds like the dealer may have been complicit but I dunno if they're trying to give that impression or not, it's not explicitly stated.

Dailymail really sucks at news.

Some old school tourney reg on 2p2 seems to think this is a real thing and is worried that it's been in play in live tournaments for awhile. Seems strange that there would be telling defects visible to the naked eye these days but if 3 casinos are all saying it happened it's definitely noteworthy.

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NMcNasty    United States. Apr 12 2014 13:31. Posts 2039

Sued by a different casino in which he apparently used the same scheme.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/1081518/Phil_Ivey_allegedly_cheated_to_win_%A37.8mln.html

 Last edit: 12/04/2014 13:32

NMcNasty    United States. Apr 12 2014 13:44. Posts 2039

cliffs:

Ivey duped the dealer into rotating cards with non-symmetrical backs when those cards were face up. He claimed it was superstition. So when the cards were face down he knew what was coming and was able to gain a huge edge.

Again my personal opinion is that since he never touched the cards and didn't use any type of cheating devices he didn't do anything illegal and should keep the money. Its the card manufacturer that should be sued.


dnagardi   Hungary. Apr 12 2014 13:49. Posts 1776

ivey just cant stop :D
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GoldRush   United States. Apr 12 2014 13:55. Posts 1025

ya, he did this in the UK last year, USA this year, seems legit to me. Casino should be ashamed to make this public.


GoldRush   United States. Apr 12 2014 13:56. Posts 1025

obv they take his $$ if they win.. its Ivey, he plays max limit on everything, they were watching from the eye in the sky.


NMcNasty    United States. Apr 12 2014 13:58. Posts 2039


  On April 12 2014 12:55 GoldRush wrote:
ya, he did this in the UK last year, USA this year, seems legit to me. Casino should be ashamed to make this public.



He's being sued now but he did it in 2012.


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Apr 12 2014 14:09. Posts 8646

lmao @ multiple major casinos using decks susceptible to edge-sorting in games where they're taking nosebleed bets

jesus f christ lol what the fuck

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Apr 12 2014 14:13. Posts 8646

if someone had described this technique to me and told me i could have a big edge over the casino using it, i would have just ignored it assuming there's no way casinos these days would make such a retarded oversight. lmfao

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NMcNasty    United States. Apr 12 2014 14:21. Posts 2039


  On April 12 2014 12:44 NMcNasty wrote:
Its the card manufacturer that should be sued.



And apparently the manufacturer is being sued by Golden Nugget for other gamblers that got away with 1.5 million. Obviously it makes no sense for both manufacturers and the gamblers to pay. What is the casino actually going to make money here despite all their incompetence?


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 12 2014 14:25. Posts 15162

I wonder how both suits turn out really since it's the casino's fault for allowing this
in Britain Ivey is suing the casino and now he's getting sued tho

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Apr 12 2014 16:54. Posts 5108

Sued for what ? They using defect cards ?

:DLast edit: 12/04/2014 16:55

GoldRush   United States. Apr 12 2014 22:59. Posts 1025

hes suing over the crockford 12m usd (~7.8 m euro) because they didn't pay a receipt they wrote him - old news but still news - heres the links from pokernews if you want to read

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2013/09...in-7-8-million-lawsuit-with-16301.htm

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/04...-for-9-6-million-by-borgata-18014.htm


Baalim   Mexico. Apr 13 2014 04:24. Posts 34246

Casinos fault obviously pay up bitches next time check your fucking cards

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whamm!   Albania. Apr 13 2014 11:48. Posts 11625

us casinos are angry that all the action is moving to macau hehe


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Apr 13 2014 12:52. Posts 15162


  On April 12 2014 12:44 NMcNasty wrote:
cliffs:

Ivey duped the dealer into rotating cards with non-symmetrical backs when those cards were face up. He claimed it was superstition. So when the cards were face down he knew what was coming and was able to gain a huge edge.

Again my personal opinion is that since he never touched the cards and didn't use any type of cheating devices he didn't do anything illegal and should keep the money. Its the card manufacturer that should be sued.


it's like counting cards in blackjack no?
What's the legal stance on that?

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mnj   United States. Apr 13 2014 14:31. Posts 3848


  On April 12 2014 13:13 bigredhoss wrote:
if someone had described this technique to me and told me i could have a big edge over the casino using it, i would have just ignored it assuming there's no way casinos these days would make such a retarded oversight. lmfao



rofl, now that you post this i think i would too!



actually i would have prob thought in my head "effing live poker players"

 Last edit: 13/04/2014 14:31

GoTuNk   Chile. Apr 13 2014 17:08. Posts 2860


  On April 13 2014 11:52 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
Show nested quote +


it's like counting cards in blackjack no?
What's the legal stance on that?


it is legal but the casino has the right to kick you out and forbid you to come back
not sure if they can take away your winning when they kick you out though, I would assume not


 
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