UFC FN 36: Machida vs. Mousasi

this is a boring main event

I knew this would be boring but seriously who do you give FOTN to?

nope, he couldnt find any significant hole in machidas standup.

Mousasi looked sluggish from the 3nd round on, he stopped backing and dodging attacks and instead just blocked and thats when Machida got really comfortable, not sure if that head kick had anything to do with it... how did he survive that kick btw wtf

On February 16 2014 00:16 SeanBam wrote: I knew this would be boring but seriously who do you give FOTN to?

Funny enough, I still give it to the 2 fighters who I thought would win it prior to the event starting. Blanco/Arantes

They're the only two guys who went back and forth in their fight and weren't gassed, and made it look interesting.

I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray.

On February 16 2014 00:24 SeanBam wrote: I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray.

Actually, you are right about Yuri vs. Reis, I forgot about that fight. Musoke vs. Andrade is a decent one too.

In terms of most interesting, I think the fights go like this:

1. Yuri/Reis
2. Arantes/Blanco
3. Musoke/Andrade

Lyoto Machida def. Gegard Mousasi - Decision (unanimous) (49-46, 50-45, 50-45)

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The following fighters were awarded $50,000 bonuses:

Fight of The Night: Lyoto Machida vs. Gegard Mousasi
Performances of the Night: Erick Silva and Charles Oliveira

Are you serious... FOTN was machida.. Okay if that's how its viewed this is the worst ufc card I've ever seen.

risked over $500 on this card.. lost $1. Went way too crazy on Tumenov.

My results

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nice job PR

On February 16 2014 00:24 SeanBam wrote: I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray.

lay and pray? he dominated the fight all the way with the exeption of that haymaker that caught him

Dumb event, lost the big ones and won the small.

On February 16 2014 01:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2014 00:24 SeanBam wrote: I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray. lay and pray? he dominated the fight all the way with the exeption of that haymaker that caught him

It was a lay and pray from a dominant position. I think the back body triangle let's the fighter do essentially nothing. It's viewed as such a dominant position in the UFC so even if you do not throw punches or don't look hard for RNC you won't get stood up. Jacare employed the exact same strategy on Carmont. Granted, I'm not saying this isn't a dominant position, what I am saying is that once you are in this position the aggressor can basically just hold, and it's up to the defender to do everything to get out of it even if they aren't in some sort of immediate danger.

Won every bet I made this event lol except Machida/Mousasi go to draw for $20.00

$100.00 $195.04 Win 4 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1001 Gegard Mousasi/Lyoto Machida Over 3½ -165*
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1155* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 10:00pm Props Fighting 1637 Marcello/Proctor starts round 2 -287* vs Fight won't start round 2
Win 2/15/14 8:00pm Props Fighting 2037 Blanco/Arantes starts round 2 -394* vs Fight won't start round 2

$150.00 $157.15 Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1001 Gegard Mousasi/Lyoto Machida Over 3½ -170*
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1102 Ronaldo Souza -550* vs Francis Carmont
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1100* vs Takenori Sato

$150.00 $96.83 Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -900* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1042 Any other result -310* vs Machida wins by TKO/KO
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1108 Not Carmont by 3 round decision -835* vs Carmont wins by 3 round decision

$100.00 $165.64 Win 4 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 9:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -900* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 8:00pm UFC Fighting 1501 Charles Oliveira -600* vs Andy Ogle
Win 2/15/14 9:00pm Props Fighting 1055 Mousasi/Machida starts round 3 -265* vs Fight won't start round 3
Win 2/15/14 10:00pm Props Fighting 1137 Carmont /Souza starts round 2 -205* vs Fight won't start round 2

$250.00 $159.10 Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1200* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1057 Mousasi/Machida starts round 2 -628* vs Fight won't start round 2
Win 2/15/14 10:00pm Props Fighting 1637 Marcello/Proctor starts round 2 -330* vs Fight won't start round 2

$150.00 $239.17 Win 5 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1100* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1501 Charles Oliveira -650* vs Andy Ogle
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1057 Mousasi/Machida starts round 2 -605* vs Fight won't start round 2
Win 2/15/14 11:00pm Props Fighting 1337 Musoke/Andrade starts round 2 -258* vs Fight won't start round 2
Win 2/15/14 8:30pm Props Fighting 1937 Alcantara/Reis starts round 2 -364* vs Fight won't start round 2

$500.00 $521.18 Win 4 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1100* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1057 Mousasi/Machida starts round 2 -605* vs Fight won't start round 2
Win 2/15/14 10:00pm Props Fighting 1637 Marcello/Proctor starts round 2 -307* vs Fight won't start round 2
Win 2/15/14 9:30pm Props Fighting 1737 Jorge/Damm starts round 2 -472* vs Fight won't start round 2

$50.00 $53.29 Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1101 Francis Carmont/Ronaldo Souza Over 1½ -160*
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1100* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1057 Mousasi/Machida starts round 2 -605* vs Fight won't start round 2

$150.00 $127.93 Win 4 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 10:00pm UFC Fighting 1102 Ronaldo Souza -470* vs Francis Carmont
Win 2/15/14 9:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -900* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 8:00pm UFC Fighting 1501 Charles Oliveira -600* vs Andy Ogle
Win 2/15/14 9:00pm Props Fighting 1057 Mousasi/Machida starts round 2 -560* vs Fight won't start round 2

All those back body triangles are lethal. It possibly a more dominant position than the mount. Its tremendously powerful knowledge to have for fighters, and I see some of the best brazilians be able to get that position almost at will against some weaker fighters.

On February 16 2014 16:58 Minsk wrote: All those back body triangles are lethal. It possibly a more dominant position than the mount. Its tremendously powerful knowledge to have for fighters, and I see some of the best brazilians be able to get that position almost at will against some weaker fighters.

I highly disagree. It's a position that is easy to keep for the remainder of the round, but it's also one that's hard to do damage from or threaten your opponent from. Which has been quite evident as we've seen lot's of back mount body triangles lately and it's basically just a guy holding onto the back and fishing for RNC, not getting close, and round ending.

We seen Maia have Fitch's back for 3 rounds and nothing, Jacare have Carmonts back for 2 rounds and nothing. Josh have Bendos for awhile. When you got the body triangle your only real submission opportunity is the RNC since your legs are locked up and you can't transition to the armbar. You can't get any leverage for hard punches.
Mount you have way more options for submissions, can deal way more damage. Down side is it's way harder to keep. But if you get it, it's way more dominant than back mount imo.


Whenever I see someone take the back with body triangle now I just sigh. I know 90% chance the rest of the round is going to be them fighting for a RNC and it basically being a stalemate. Not a fan of it.

The part thats harder to notice but makes a huge impact is the pressure put on by the body triangle itself. Its really bad situation as a fighter to be stuck in a body triangle thats completely impossible to get out of while your opponent is relaxing and punching at will and constantly having to dodge submissions while also having your energy sapped from the triangle. Most of the time by the time that round ends the fighter that was in the triangle has almost no chance to win, and its nearly impossible to escape.

They also get to lose that round (1/3) is huge, and theres also pretty much no bad situations that come come out of it for the triangle master.

On February 16 2014 08:51 SeanBam wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2014 01:34 Baalim wrote:   On February 16 2014 00:24 SeanBam wrote: I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray. lay and pray? he dominated the fight all the way with the exeption of that haymaker that caught him It was a lay and pray from a dominant position. I think the back body triangle let's the fighter do essentially nothing. It's viewed as such a dominant position in the UFC so even if you do not throw punches or don't look hard for RNC you won't get stood up. Jacare employed the exact same strategy on Carmont. Granted, I'm not saying this isn't a dominant position, what I am saying is that once you are in this position the aggressor can basically just hold, and it's up to the defender to do everything to get out of it even if they aren't in some sort of immediate danger.

he was beating the shit out of him on the stand up too, and then took down and took the back of a BJJ world champion, that is not lay and pray, that is absolute dominance, obviously he isnt going to submit a world champion easily, but simply willingly taking the fight to the ground against one takes balls and to dominate him, takes skill, i think musoke is a guy to watch in the future.

its just super hard to finish from the back in MMA. without a gi and with the gloves its pretty easy to just protect your neck and fight off any choke attempts. not to mention you can actually throw punches when someone has your back he has to defend those. its still a dominant position because you cant mount any significant offense and are in constant danger but very defendable.

the exception is belly down back position which is just the worst possible spot to be in. completely GG from there