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JonnyCosMo   United States. Nov 08 2013 18:39. Posts 7292

I like playing live poker. With that said, I've been playing a lot of PLO recently at a card room where there is pretty much no law & order. Because this PLO game is the biggest game in the room, there are certain players that feel entitled to make up their own rules about how the game is played that often differ from the card rooms rules. Every time the floor man gets called it's a huge ordeal, often because they can't resolve anything with their own card room rules since the game really doesn't follow any of them to begin with.

So here are a few situations that happened the other night (I've changed the names of the players):

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Situation #1
Flop comes down 8c5d2d and there is a ton of money that flys in from all directions. Four way all-in where the shortest stack had

Alchemist was all-in for $1000 Ad8d8hKc
Troll was all-in for $5000 with JcTs5h2c
Pudge was all-in for $4000 with Ks6d4s3h
Tinker was all-in for $4000 with QcJs7h6s

Everyone agrees to run it twice.

First run: 8c5d2d 6h7s
Second run: 8c5d2d Kh8s

All the hands are turned face-up. Alchemist chops the main pot ($4000) with Pudge since he clearly won the second run with quads. Tinker knows he's fucked and just mucks his hand. Troll starts yelling that he made a straight on the first run. Troll does not have a straight on either run. Pudge says he has a straight on the first run, Troll then starts yelling that he has two pair on the second board. Pudge groins that he should have only run it once so he could scoop it all. All the players are looking at all the hands, and no one at the table catches that Pudge paired his King on the second run and the 8s counterfeits Troll's two pair. Dealer is confused and agrees that Troll does infact win the second board with the flop two pair. The big side pot gets split between Troll and Pudge.

2 hands go by...

Pudge then says "Wait! I had made a King on the second board and you got counterfiet, I should win the entire side pot!"
Troll doesn't believe he had a King. Tinker and Alchemist and a couple other players at the table confirm that Pudge's hand was infact K643. Troll now doesn't believe that the King was the turn on the second run. The floor gets called over, reviews the tape, and confirms that Pudge had the winning hand on both runs for the side pot. Troll refuses to pay and claims that it's the casino / dealers fault for pushing him the pot and that he shouldn't be required to pay out since they have played a couple hands since.

Floor man doesn't know what to do. Says casino won't pay, and leaves decision up to the players LOL. So what should be done?

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Situation #2
Big action happens between some deep stacks on a flop of Td6c5d between four players. Troll (same guy from previous hand) leads out for pot. Gets 3 calls from Tinker, Sniper, and Pudge. Action folds to Razor who pots it to $2000. Troll re-pots to $8000 (With $6k more effective behind). Tinker calls all-in for $7000, Sniper calls all-in for $1800. Pudge folds. Action is back to Razor who has Troll covered. Razor tanks for a long time and finally folds.

Troll now asks if Tinker wants to run it for what Sniper is all-in for. They agree to run it for just $1800. Razor scratches his head and says nothing.

Should other players not in the hand say something about this?

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Situation #3

Alchemist gets to back-shove all-in for a short $1200 stack, gets called by Razor and Troll who still have $10k+ behind. The dealer, however, thinks they everyone is all-in and deals a flop KsJc7s, then a turn 4c before everyone at the table yell "STOP!" Dealer apologizes, and calls over the floor. Floor says that their procedure is as follows:

The 4c will obviously be coming back. Both players are allowed their flop action. Once that is complete, the dealer will burn and turn a new turn (which happens to be the actual card that comes on the river). Once they do that, the 4c will be put back into the deck and shuffled for the river.

Alchemist is unhappy about this decision since he states that the 4c should be shuffled into the deck before the turn comes out. Troll argues that if you do this, the river card will be different. Razor wants the original river card that they want to use for the turn to be put to the side, then the 4c re-shuffled into the deck for the turn. Floor says that is not their procedure. All 3 players do not like what the floor wants to do in this hand, but all 3 cannot agree on a acceptable way to run the hand out so in the end they run the hand like the floor suggests.

What's common protocol in these situations where a card that was put down too early needs to come back?
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Got a couple other funny spots I might post later in this thread. Tell me what you guys think.

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Nov 08 2013 21:42. Posts 7292

Situation #4

Board reads Ks8h6h5s on the turn with action on Invoker who checks. Troll pots it for $500. Action gets folded back around to Invoker who says "Poquito Pot" and then slides out $500. The dealer starts to flip over the river and Invoker yells "WAIT! I Said Poquito Pot!" Everyone looks at him all confused. Invoker wants to pot it. Troll argues that it's just a call since he never said "raise" or just the word "pot". Floor gets called over and rules in favor of...

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Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser 

Skoal   Canada. Nov 10 2013 00:00. Posts 460

solution: sit out or never run it more than once multiway. also remember to enjoy the show. alchemist must be the best player in the game he gets allll the gold

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JohnnyBologna   United States. Nov 10 2013 21:07. Posts 1401

#1 He doesn't have to pay it. guys fault for not reading his hand. yeah he looks douchey afterwards but what can you do.
#2 I guess if you guys can do stuff like run it twice, other deals are okay? doesnt look like he was colluding just really didnt want to play for that much.
#3 In my local casino turn is put back in and new turn and river is done.
#4 whats poquito pot lol

Just do whats right 

thewh00sel    United States. Nov 11 2013 01:17. Posts 2734

comedy. Standard rule for #3 is what the floor said, the flop action happens, the turn is the old river and if you get to the river, the 4 is shuffled in to potentially reappear.

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chrusher97   Canada. Nov 11 2013 16:51. Posts 449

Unless the dealers are very good, running it more than once in a multiway pot usually leads to either at best a 10 minute delay of the game or else somebody getting screwed over lol.


NMcNasty    United States. Nov 11 2013 16:54. Posts 2039

#1 Yeah he shouldn't pay. Stack sizes effect action on the next hand even if its slight.

#2 It might not be intentional malicious collusion but its collusion and absolutely shouldn't be allowed. Aside from that, I realize its close to a flip but the player with the better equity is getting screwed. Just a retarded situation all around.

#3 Floor is just doing his job but its a retarded rule. The 4c should be shuffled back into the deck. I hate rules that prioritize player superstition over game strategy.

#4 lol. Im ok with the floor decision. If you declare your action (as opposed to just putting chips in) you have to be clear.


Gnarly   United States. Nov 13 2013 19:42. Posts 1723


  On November 08 2013 20:42 JonnyCosMo wrote:
Situation #4

Board reads Ks8h6h5s on the turn with action on Invoker who checks. Troll pots it for $500. Action gets folded back around to Invoker who says "Poquito Pot" and then slides out $500. The dealer starts to flip over the river and Invoker yells "WAIT! I Said Poquito Pot!" Everyone looks at him all confused. Invoker wants to pot it. Troll argues that it's just a call since he never said "raise" or just the word "pot". Floor gets called over and rules in favor of...

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Is there a rule stating that a player that throw in one chip for a call, two chips that equal the bet amount plus half a blind or whatever it is for a raise?

Diversify or fossilize!Last edit: 13/11/2013 19:43

n0rthf4ce    United States. Nov 13 2013 22:58. Posts 8119

wtf where are these games? i wanna play too

www.cardrunners.com 

YoMeR   United States. Nov 14 2013 04:26. Posts 12435


  On November 13 2013 21:58 n0rthf4ce wrote:
wtf where are these games? i wanna play too



troof.

Btw nice post cosmo all situations gave me a good laugh ^^

eZ Life. 

Naib   Hungary. Nov 15 2013 07:44. Posts 968

I wouldike to comment on situation #3, and how it's dealt with here:

First, the dealer burns another card, and deals the river face down. That way it's still the same card, but noone knows what it is. Then the premature turncard goes back into the deck, it gets shuffled, and a different turn is dealt (also face down. No burning, cuz that was already done, the 2nd burning card obviously doesn't go back into the deck). Players complete the flop action (resumed at the same point at which the mistake was made). Hand plays out normally from then on.

I don't think it's allowed to RIT here in multiway pots (not that it's allowed to RIT in general except one place that I know of / play at). Situation #2 shouldn't ever be allowed to happen, wtf. Pulling back chips that are in the middle is pretty shady. I mean, run it and give it back later in the parking lot, if anything (which imo is still shady, but at least it doesn't make people question how legit the game is).

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dnagardi   Hungary. Nov 15 2013 14:06. Posts 1776

the first sentences already cracked me up

hillarious post cosmo. very well done sitting in games like this. u must be rich as fuck


Fujikura   United States. Nov 28 2013 12:01. Posts 1795

lol, love the player names. But seriously, #2 is collusion no?

aka SouL)Z(Isadie and SouL)P(Fujikura 

ggplz   Sweden. Sep 05 2014 08:43. Posts 16784

fun read
agree with others

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casinocasino   Canada. Sep 16 2014 16:06. Posts 3343

stupid palomar casino


!MeaL!   United States. Dec 11 2014 00:29. Posts 100


  On November 28 2013 11:01 Fujikura wrote:
lol, love the player names. But seriously, #2 is collusion no?



I love them two made me laugh like hell sounded like kids playing cards. Lol really funny!


 



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