Live PLo hand, Collusion or not?

On October 11 2013 16:19 Raidan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 11 2013 11:48 NMcNasty wrote: So the implication is that by saying "naked" Bob is pretending to have the naked ace of hearts, and therefore generate a call (or raise) from hero who likely has a smaller flush, when he knows his friend Al can have nothing but the nut ace high flush? It all just seems a bit elaborate. Its probably not a bad idea to bring the issue up just to put the players are on notice, but Bob could easily just be some fish saying "naked" because his hand is nothing. There's really nothing the floor can do. another guy asked this 1. Are Bob's and Al's lines feasible (I don't play PLO, so no idea) with their respective hands, or would they only be taken in conjunction with each other?

Perfectly feasible. Bob is taking a stab, Al is just checkraising the nuts. Its hard to imagine that Bob's bet was somehow planned, and if there was collusion, why not bet turn to build a pot?

2. How often would someone say "Naked.." at showdown in Bob's spot (assuming he fired into the field and got called in 2 spots) and mean anything else than I have A but no flush?

I assumed Bob was a fish at first due to stack size and not being a regular, but I reread again and saw you specified that he was an out of town pro. So not very likely he would get that wrong :[. But he might have misread his hand and thought he had Ah when he had the Ad or something, or he could be lying about what he thought was a showdown in order to pretend he was merely dry ace bluffing as opposed to just making some crazy stab.

I'm not sure what casino rules are exactly. Can two players be forced to not play against each other merely by being suspected of collusion? It seems like they should be. It's just a spot where there's little the floor can do, but is still shady enough that it absolutely should not be ignored.

seems very likely they are splitting action fully and bob tried to take things into his own hands to make the team some more money

(either induce the button to call/raise)

the thing is though...if he really did think that AL just flatted on the river then it could definitely be a little lie to act like he was bluffing with Ah as neither of them should ever have Ah in their hands when they both call river.

either way their actions post-hand are what is really telling to me in this scenario. anyone who wasn't guilty would realize and definitely want to talk about it / clear their name in the moment...not just leave the game

it really doesn't seem like it was calculated during the hand, more like Bob just getting greedy for the team, which is probably what Al scolded him about outside.

Seems closer to an angle than collusion imo

Still a very scummy thing to do and it's obvious they are at least sharing action and possibly have gotten away with similar things before. I don't think the floor would do anything in this case most of the time. When playing at a casino you can just never trust anything someone says and have to assume most people are capable of angles/collusion

lol am I the only one that finds this hilarious

this isn't remotely provable as collusion so if it is it's next lvl

most obvious collusion of all time, I'm extremely surprised anyone thinks otherwise

collusion, dont allow those faggots to play there again

Agree it is more of an angle than collusion; collusion indicates two people working together. Bob just made the move on his own and it was more of a trick than anything having to do with cards. Obviously hero was suspicious because he simply flatted. Just grimy table talk.

Reminds me of Matt dillion and norton in rounders where Matt doesn't need to cheat to beat the cop game but worm gets greedy and screws them

On October 21 2013 03:32 traxamillion wrote: Agree it is more of an angle than collusion; collusion indicates two people working together. Bob just made the move on his own and it was more of a trick than anything having to do with cards. Obviously hero was suspicious because he simply flatted. Just grimy table talk. Reminds me of Matt dillion and norton in rounders where Matt doesn't need to cheat to beat the cop game but worm gets greedy and screws them

In order for bob to make the move on his own, he needs to know Al has the nuts and isnt pulling the naked ace bluff himself.

collusion

add another one to collusion. ban them both

On October 23 2013 15:14 n0rthf4ce wrote: collusion

I mean... Hero seems like a retard to believe that Al is bluffing with anything but the Ah in his hand. I tend to ignore everything people say to me during the hand caz too many people live try to angleshoot etc...

Just seems like Hero is QQing about making a terrible call. Just my 2 cents -_-;;

It's more of an angle shoot than collusion imo. Bob clearly has a read that Al has the nuts, and is just trying to fuck the Hero in this hand. If they chopping the money later on the side, it's clear collusion, but most likely this is not the case, and it's just Bob shoot an angle.This hand takes place in LA where everyone is a massive scumbag angle shooter, this shit should be expected...

On October 28 2013 17:01 JonnyCosMo wrote: This hand takes place in any live game where everyone is a massive scumbag angle shooter, this shit should be expected...

fixed your post

For this to be collusion bob had to know that AI held the nuts prior to betting. It sounds too blatant and too complicated for it to be collusion. No way he could do this more than 1 time without being caught (announcing naked [ace of hearts] out loud). So I'm going to say you're reading too much into it.

I am not trying to the racist but if its two Indian guys then I would suspect some light collusion. I played in that game regularly and I've seen some uncharacteristic plays with one player leading into a multi way pot and getting callers and a c/r by a player who seemingly checked the nuts OOP.

Great thread!!!

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