NL50 deep 3B pot - call or raise

Submitted by : phexac

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NL Holdem $0.50 BB Merge Game#71750767227

GaryPayton $190
mochiballs $50
InvincibleByChoice $55.07
Amocfam10A $92.32
steelrain1 $41.47
ZeroClue $103

GaryPayton posts SB $0.25
mochiballs posts BB $0.50

Dealt to ZeroClue7h
fold, fold,
steelrain1 raises to $1.75
ZeroClue calls $1.75
GaryPayton raises to $6.06
fold,
steelrain1 calls $4.31
ZeroClue calls $4.31

Flop (Pot : $0)
GaryPayton bets $11
steelrain1 folds
ZeroClue calls $11

Turn (Pot : $0)
GaryPayton bets $20.50

flop a set in 3 bet pot, with deepstacks. DILLEMA.

obv raise turn and get it in, or call/call

On August 19 2013 09:31 mnj wrote: flop a set in 3 bet pot, with deepstacks. DILLEMA. obv raise turn and get it in, or call/call

You do realize my question asked whether call/call or raise turn is the better line? Coming back with "obv raise turn and get it in, or call/call" isn't particularly helpful. If you are not going to read the post, don't bother responding.

On August 19 2013 09:31 mnj wrote: flop a set in 3 bet pot, with deepstacks. DILLEMA. obv raise turn and get it in, or call/call

if i'm goin to be playing with villain a lot in the future and he's somewhat good/competent i like flatting turn to protect/balance call/call ranges even on wet boards like this. Plus generally they are more aggressive and will barrel off bluffs more often on rivers when called on turn as he'll assume we play our 2 pair+ hands more aggressively on this board texture.

if villain is a shitty fish then i just raise turn get it in. no need to really think about much except get the money in asaply.

Call turn in position

I'm in the call/call camp too, Yomer has it right. Ppl like to barel and I'm not going to stop them

ALL IN on turn. two possiblities that fck you up. He has draw that misses and gives up on river or a card that comes and connects everything and he check folds. your not playing 100/200 where you gotta develop metagame or get into a leveling war.

assuming vilain is competent we should call. I dont have a bluffraising range on turn dis deep dont think good villain should expect us to so pretty much flat everything. More interesting question is should we have a raising range ott at all? Good draws will hate shove dis deep but guess we could turn some hands into bluff and raise weaker draws as raise will seem rly strong?
We could raise sets in that case so like raise weak draws turn some hands into bluffs and if you think villain plays back with some frequency include sets too and flat strong draws and made hands worse than sets.

turn you should call if you can pot river if he checks and put all the money in, if not probably raise smallish
vs a fish it's a raise because they probably call more money with draws on turn than the amount they bluff on river (obv depend on that particular fish)