UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman

Date: Saturday, July 6th
Preliminary Card (Facebook): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST Facebook stream
Preliminary Card (FX): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card Time (Fuel TV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: Prelims are Live on FX and Facebook/YouTube - http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)





Main Card (PPV)

Anderson Silva (33-4) vs Chris Weidman (9-0) (weight)
Frankie Edgar (15-4-1) vs. Charles Oliveira (16-3) (weight)
Tim Kennedy (15-4) vs. Roger Gracie (6-1) (weight)
Dennis Siver (21-8) vs. Cub Swanson (19-5) (weight)
Mark Munoz (12-3) vs. Tim Boetsch (16-5) (weight)

Preliminary Card (FX)

Chris Leben (22-9) vs. Andrew Craig (8-1) (weight)
Norman Parke (17-2) vs. Kazuki Tokudome (12-3-1) (weight)
Edson Barboza (11-1) vs. Rafaello Oliveira (16-5) (weight)
Gabriel Gonzaga (14-7) vs. Dave Herman (21-5) (weight)

Preliminary Card (Facebook)

Seth Baczynski (18-9) vs. Brian Melancon (6-2) (weight)
Mike Pierce (16-5) vs. David Mitchell (12-2) (weight)

Other

- Also, co-featured on the card was expected to be a bout between top featherweight contenders Ricardo Lamas and Chan Sung Jung; however on June 14, it was announced that Jung had been pulled from the Lamas bout and would replace an injured Anthony Pettis to face Jose Aldo on August 3, 2013 at UFC 163.
- Ricardo Lamas is still an uncertainty for this card.
- A bout between Thiago Silva and Rafael Cavalcante, briefly linked to this event, was moved to UFC on Fuel TV: Nogueira vs. Werdum.
- John Makdessi was expected to face Edson Barboza at the event; however, Makdessi, pulled out of the bout citing an injury and was replaced by Rafaello Oliveira.
- Shane del Rosario was originally scheduled to face Dave Herman at the event; however, del Rosario was forced off the card due to injury and replaced by Gabriel Gonzaga.

Anderson > Weidman
Edgar > OliveOil (I'm not betting Edgar at all, I have my money on OliveOil because he's dangerous and he's +425!!!)
Gracie > Kennedy
Swanson > Siver
Boetsch > Munoz
Craig > Leben
Parke > Tokudome
Barboza > OliveOil
Gonzaga > Herman
Baczynski > Melancon
Pierce > Mitchell

Shouldn't Kennedy be able to sprawls and brawl vs Gracie? Dude's pretty good. Not sure about Parke over Tokudome. However, don't know much about them so whatever.

sooooo Pettis vs Aldo isnt happening ? damn i was looking forward to that

lol weidman sub only +450, there go my plans

Andrew craig over leben imo.

On June 17 2013 17:20 Daut wrote: lol weidman sub only +450, there go my plans

I made a comment about it 6 hours or so in the other thread. Guess you have better things to do than to check LP.net every hour on the hour.

I put $15 on Weidman via submission at +630. I'll be using it as a hedge to my Anderson bets.

I also have separate props on OliveOil (+975) and Swanson (+610) via submission. OliveOil is crafty on the ground, and if he were to beat Edgar, it'd most likely be by submission. Swanson could strike with Siver, however, I have a good feeling he'll take it to the ground as soon as possible and win from there.

I am betting a lot of parlays and Anderson will be in all of them.

My Anderson Silva fanboy ness can not handle the excitement of the rape he is about to put on Weidman. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Besides that, this card is super deep and there are many many fights I want to see, both main card and prelim. I'm fascinated by the Edgar fight as well as some of the fighters with strong records but small fight sample size. (Craig/Gracie)

I think whoever wins the fight will make it look easy, either Silva toys with Weidman for a round then decides to end the fight in a flashy tko. Or Weidman wrestlefucks him into a submission. Id say 75/25 Silva, but this is deffinately the most exciting Silva fight in like forever.

Overall a solid 8/10 card.

On June 18 2013 05:31 HaiVan wrote: I think whoever wins the fight will make it look easy, either Silva toys with Weidman for a round then decides to end the fight in a flashy tko. Or Weidman wrestlefucks him into a submission. Id say 75/25 Silva, but this is deffinately the most exciting Silva fight in like forever. Overall a solid 8/10 card.

I agree on it being the only exciting Silva fight in like forever but 75/25 are you kidding me? This is at least 90/10.

On June 18 2013 07:00 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 05:31 HaiVan wrote: I think whoever wins the fight will make it look easy, either Silva toys with Weidman for a round then decides to end the fight in a flashy tko. Or Weidman wrestlefucks him into a submission. Id say 75/25 Silva, but this is deffinately the most exciting Silva fight in like forever. Overall a solid 8/10 card. I agree on it being the only exciting Silva fight in like forever but 75/25 are you kidding me? This is at least 90/10.

You seen weidman fight? Andersons biggest weakness is his takedown defense and lack of submission from the bottom game. Weidman is just as good as a wrestler as chael, and he actually does damage from top position. Anderson has been lucky with table draw in fights his whole ufc career. Most fights vs bjj guys/stand up guys who have no wrestling. This is a very dangerous fight for him. id go as far as saying 60/40 for silva just cuz hes the GOAT. But this is a TERRIBLE matchup for him.

Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys.

The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both.

On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both.

your post is pretty stupid. look at silva's last five fights since his debacle @ Abu Dhabi:

sonnen #1, Belfort, Okami, Sonnen #2, bonnar

None of these guys are as good as weidman and I believe the betting line, if anything, is a reflection of anderson hype. The guy has won all of his fights in recent memory in a glorifying fashion, and any/every joe schmoe is gonna look at -260 and unload because its a 'sick price.' If the markets really thought he would stomp weidman then this would have opened much higher around -400 which would imply around an 80% chance of victory as most of the people in this thread think it is.

This is silva's first real opponent in the last three years and given how the markets aren't completely sure of weidman's skill it leads me to believe they think he really will win this fight by setting the line this low compared to public expectations

Weidman is pretty good but he got to the top in a much easier fashion than a lot of other challengers. The only serious wins he has is against Maia (if you even want to consider that given how he shat it up at the end of his MW fighting) and Munoz. Weidman hard lucksacked out of having to fight Vitor who I think would have dominated him pretty hard.

This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit.

On June 18 2013 09:54 whamm! wrote: This will be another bader vs jon jones. I cant count how many times i wished silva would get beat up since like 2008. Hes just too good he makes tough guys look like shit.

Baders wrestling was negated by jon jones amazing wrestling. anderson silva has 0 wrestling. Not even close to comparable

On June 18 2013 09:20 RaiNKhAN wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both. your post is pretty stupid. look at silva's last five fights since his debacle @ Abu Dhabi: sonnen #1, Belfort, Okami, Sonnen #2, bonnar None of these guys are as good as weidman and I believe the betting line, if anything, is a reflection of anderson hype. The guy has won all of his fights in recent memory in a glorifying fashion, and any/every joe schmoe is gonna look at -260 and unload because its a 'sick price.' If the markets really thought he would stomp weidman then this would have opened much higher around -400 which would imply around an 80% chance of victory as most of the people in this thread think it is. This is silva's first real opponent in the last three years and given how the markets aren't completely sure of weidman's skill it leads me to believe they think he really will win this fight by setting the line this low compared to public expectations

You know nothing Jon Snow...

Apparently you aren't aware that Silva's line is where it's at due to the fact that he's facing a wrestler, not because Weidman is seen as the next big thing. Wrestlers have always made Silva's line considerably lower than usual. You can go check past lines for that fact. And if you think Weidman is going to wrestle-fuck Silva like Sonnen did, you probably aren't aware that their styles of wrestling aren't the same, especially how they shoot and their aggressiveness.

Also, you assume Weidman is better than Vitor and whomever else without actually seeing him fight great fighters. You're basically one of the Weidman dick riders who I was referring to in my previous post. You assume Weidman can do all these amazing things without actually seeing him do it vs. anyone worth a piss. Weidman could go on to beat Silva, but to even assume he has what it takes just by going off his credentials on paper isn't smart.

On June 18 2013 10:16 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 09:20 RaiNKhAN wrote:   On June 18 2013 09:06 PuertoRican wrote: Ths fight is being built off of the UFC hype train, not from Weidman's accomplishments of beating top guys. The hard core fans that are backing Weidman are doing so because of what they think he's capable of, not what he's shown vs. top fighters. The general fan backing Weidman are doing so because they either want to see Silva lose, or because Weidman is white, or both. your post is pretty stupid. look at silva's last five fights since his debacle @ Abu Dhabi: sonnen #1, Belfort, Okami, Sonnen #2, bonnar None of these guys are as good as weidman and I believe the betting line, if anything, is a reflection of anderson hype. The guy has won all of his fights in recent memory in a glorifying fashion, and any/every joe schmoe is gonna look at -260 and unload because its a 'sick price.' If the markets really thought he would stomp weidman then this would have opened much higher around -400 which would imply around an 80% chance of victory as most of the people in this thread think it is. This is silva's first real opponent in the last three years and given how the markets aren't completely sure of weidman's skill it leads me to believe they think he really will win this fight by setting the line this low compared to public expectations You know nothing Jon Snow... Apparently you aren't aware that Silva's line is where it's at due to the fact that he's facing a wrestler, not because Weidman is seen as the next big thing. Wrestlers have always made Silva's line considerably lower than usual. You can go check past lines for that fact. And if you think Weidman is going to wrestle-fuck Silva like Sonnen did, you probably aren't aware that their styles of wrestling aren't the same, especially how they shoot and their aggressiveness. Also, you assume Weidman is better than Vitor and whomever else without actually seeing him fight great fighters. You're basically one of the Weidman dick riders who I was referring to in my previous post. You assume Weidman can do all these amazing things without actually seeing him do it vs. anyone worth a piss. Weidman could go on to beat Silva, but to even assume he has what it takes just by going off his credentials on paper isn't smart.

Had to quote everything individually for you since you can't read nor have any clue what you are talking about

Apparently you aren't aware that Silva's line is where it's at due to the fact that he's facing a wrestler, not because Weidman is seen as the next big thing. Wrestlers have always made Silva's line considerably lower than usual.

Wrong. Demian Maia and Chael Sonnen #1 were both +575/-850 and +375/-450 respectively which are both significantly higher than +230/-260. In his rematch with Chael it dropped to ~+200 Chael purely from public over-reaction and hype from match #1 where all he did was lay on top of him for the entire fight. so that negates your argument.

And if you think Weidman is going to wrestle-fuck Silva like Sonnen did, you probably aren't aware that their styles of wrestling aren't the same, especially how they shoot and their aggressiveness.

Nope. Wrong again. Never said or even cared about any of this non-sense. Silva's time is coming and now he's fighting someone much more dangerous than any of the previous ass clowns he faced in the past.

Also, you assume Weidman is better than Vitor and whomever else without actually seeing him fight great fighters.

Wrong again. This the UFC. Not the NBA, MLB, or NHL where there is enough data and previous history on the players to determine where the line should be. You will never have a total clear picture of what is going to happen so for you to point out the flaw that Weidman lacks experience vs all of Silva's past opponents is moot since there isn't enough time or data for this to happen in UFC due to long lay-offs after each fight.

You're basically one of the Weidman dick riders who I was referring to in my previous post. You assume Weidman can do all these amazing things without actually seeing him do it vs. anyone worth a piss.

Since when has not fighting anyone 'worth a piss' stopped fighters from creating upsets? Remember shane carwin? Similar odds vs Frank Mir to the current Weidman/Silva fight and he pounded his fucking head in.

Anderson Silva is my favorite MMA fighter. There is no doubt about it. He is the only guy I will voluntarily watch without gambling on and that says a lot because I could give two shits about sporting events if i'm not wagering. I knew you were directing your passive-aggressive comments about ufc hype train at me because that's the kind of weak jackass you are lol.

Simply put, I don't like burning money so I'm siding with weidman because I firmly believe weidman takes this and it shoudn't be any higher than 2:1 odds. The reputation of Silva doesn't play into this line IMO as much as it is his resilience to someone find a way to win. The only problem here is that he is fighting someone who is way more prepared than any of his previous guys who all took the fight for the $$$ and not because they are capable of taking him out at near 50/50 probability.

Weidman could go on to beat Silva, but to even assume he has what it takes just by going off his credentials on paper isn't smart.

Obviously as predicted you end your garbage post with something like this to relieve you of any thrashing when Silva ends up losing as a big favorite. This just shows you're scared lol.

I never said anything about Weidman's past credentials, and you assuming so shows you don't know how to read. I pointed out time and time again that this has everything to do with me reading the market and what I have seen in the past with all fighters/general trends. Keep on plucking at your juvenile UFC Hype Train talk as if it has any application at all to me

^ holy fuck that was way too much effort. sigh

go spurs!