TableNinja Moneygrab!

On May 18 2013 08:40 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2013 02:49 gymnast wrote: So you actually thought you were going to get updates till the day you die? Comments like this are the reason why threads die. Grats holmes. As I've stated before - I WILL pay for this new thing. However. The producers LIED. Repeatedly. Anyone who can fucking understand English can understand that. I guess I'm just part of a dying breed - one who expects to get what I pay for. Anyways - Everything has been stated, re-stated, and triply so. So whatever. Fuckers lied. They literally broke their own legality rules. Sustainability? Or accountability? If I had a law degree (in the contractual field) and tons of time on my hand, I would smash the fuck out of these guys. Sadly - I only have one of the two. Cheers guys.

How did they lie? What support did they offer and for what product did they offer it for?

On May 18 2013 12:21 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2013 08:40 devon06atX wrote:   On May 18 2013 02:49 gymnast wrote: So you actually thought you were going to get updates till the day you die? Comments like this are the reason why threads die. Grats holmes. As I've stated before - I WILL pay for this new thing. However. The producers LIED. Repeatedly. Anyone who can fucking understand English can understand that. I guess I'm just part of a dying breed - one who expects to get what I pay for. Anyways - Everything has been stated, re-stated, and triply so. So whatever. Fuckers lied. They literally broke their own legality rules. Sustainability? Or accountability? If I had a law degree (in the contractual field) and tons of time on my hand, I would smash the fuck out of these guys. Sadly - I only have one of the two. Cheers guys. How did they lie? What support did they offer and for what product did they offer it for?

On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Found my email from them when i purchased the product _______________________________________________________________ Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates! Please save or print this email for your records Here is your purchase code: --------- cut/copy between these lines --------- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX --------- cut/copy between these lines --------- To unlock your product: 1. Highlight and copy the purchase code above. (Press ctrl-c or right-click and choose 'Copy') 2. Open TableNinja. 3. In the top menu bar, click 'Help' and choose 'Purchase/Update'. 4. Paste the purchase code into the Purchase/Update box. (Press ctrl-v or right-click and choose 'Paste') 5. Click the button labeled 'Try Purchase Code'. If you have any problems, please visit http://tnforums.tableninja.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1 __________________________________________________________________________ Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks

Anyways - I'm all ranted out. It just bugs me that more people don't realise how unethical this is. Clearly, people will pay for it - that's why the producers know they can get away with it. I said my piece (probably more than three times lol), and now I'm going to the beer store. Cheers to you all, you included Saibot.

So if PokerStars shifts their business from desktop poker clients and starts developing exclusively for Android/iOS does that mean TN is still obligated to support it?

On May 18 2013 13:03 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2013 12:21 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 18 2013 08:40 devon06atX wrote:   On May 18 2013 02:49 gymnast wrote: So you actually thought you were going to get updates till the day you die? Comments like this are the reason why threads die. Grats holmes. As I've stated before - I WILL pay for this new thing. However. The producers LIED. Repeatedly. Anyone who can fucking understand English can understand that. I guess I'm just part of a dying breed - one who expects to get what I pay for. Anyways - Everything has been stated, re-stated, and triply so. So whatever. Fuckers lied. They literally broke their own legality rules. Sustainability? Or accountability? If I had a law degree (in the contractual field) and tons of time on my hand, I would smash the fuck out of these guys. Sadly - I only have one of the two. Cheers guys. How did they lie? What support did they offer and for what product did they offer it for?   On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Found my email from them when i purchased the product _______________________________________________________________ Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates! Please save or print this email for your records Here is your purchase code: --------- cut/copy between these lines --------- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX --------- cut/copy between these lines --------- To unlock your product: 1. Highlight and copy the purchase code above. (Press ctrl-c or right-click and choose 'Copy') 2. Open TableNinja. 3. In the top menu bar, click 'Help' and choose 'Purchase/Update'. 4. Paste the purchase code into the Purchase/Update box. (Press ctrl-v or right-click and choose 'Paste') 5. Click the button labeled 'Try Purchase Code'. If you have any problems, please visit http://tnforums.tableninja.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1 __________________________________________________________________________ Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks Anyways - I'm all ranted out. It just bugs me that more people don't realise how unethical this is. Clearly, people will pay for it - that's why the producers know they can get away with it. I said my piece (probably more than three times lol), and now I'm going to the beer store. Cheers to you all, you included Saibot.

hey man, i realize how unethical this is. I know that feel bro. i know that feel

On May 18 2013 02:49 gymnast wrote: So you actually thought you were going to get updates till the day you die?

Not sure about devon06atX , but personally i didn't.

I've had the realization since i was about 8 years old that advertisements can be very cunning, when i went to mcdonalds one day and found that the burger was not at all what it looked like on the television, stacked up really closed to the television screen and a high angle shot looking upwards at that fresh and juicy lettuce.

It doesn't mean it's not unethical though, you simply have to ask if it is ok to bullshit people, does it improve society as a whole? Does it harm the individual that is getting bullshitted? Questions like that are good ones to begin with. I would argue that it's wrong to bullshit people, because it gives them false expectations, and people make irrational decisions because of that. It is better to give people the truth so they can make rational decisions.

On May 19 2013 02:37 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2013 02:49 gymnast wrote: So you actually thought you were going to get updates till the day you die? Not sure about devon06atX , but personally i didn't. I've had the realization since i was about 8 years old that advertisements can be very cunning, when i went to mcdonalds one day and found that the burger was not at all what it looked like on the television, stacked up really closed to the television screen and a high angle shot looking upwards at that fresh and juicy lettuce. It doesn't mean it's not unethical though, you simply have to ask if it is ok to bullshit people, does it improve society as a whole? Does it harm the individual that is getting bullshitted? Questions like that are good ones to begin with. I would argue that it's wrong to bullshit people, because it gives them false expectations, and people make irrational decisions because of that. It is better to give people the truth so they can make rational decisions.

Sorry to derail, but vast majority of decisions are not made rationally but emotionally.
I know from sales you never sell the raw features but rather the benefits and the way they impulse the emotion of the prospect. Ethical or not, people are "dumb" and not really rational, that's why adverts have to create an emotional rather than rational response from the prospects and there is a fine line between impulsing people by highlighting benefits and pretty much outward lying.


Besides, I guess the TN developers believed they can sustain constant updates and new people will keep buying but it just isn't viable

On May 19 2013 05:43 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On May 19 2013 02:37 Stroggoz wrote:   On May 18 2013 02:49 gymnast wrote: So you actually thought you were going to get updates till the day you die? Not sure about devon06atX , but personally i didn't. I've had the realization since i was about 8 years old that advertisements can be very cunning, when i went to mcdonalds one day and found that the burger was not at all what it looked like on the television, stacked up really closed to the television screen and a high angle shot looking upwards at that fresh and juicy lettuce. It doesn't mean it's not unethical though, you simply have to ask if it is ok to bullshit people, does it improve society as a whole? Does it harm the individual that is getting bullshitted? Questions like that are good ones to begin with. I would argue that it's wrong to bullshit people, because it gives them false expectations, and people make irrational decisions because of that. It is better to give people the truth so they can make rational decisions. Sorry to derail, but vast majority of decisions are not made rationally but emotionally. I know from sales you never sell the raw features but rather the benefits and the way they impulse the emotion of the prospect. Ethical or not, people are "dumb" and not really rational, that's why adverts have to create an emotional rather than rational response from the prospects and there is a fine line between impulsing people by highlighting benefits and pretty much outward lying. Besides, I guess the TN developers believed they can sustain constant updates and new people will keep buying but it just isn't viable

weather it's an outright lie or a play on my emotions. They are both intending to make me stupid enough to make an irrational decision to buy the burger.

Anybody want a burger now? Like seriously

Anyway claiming they owe support on a new version of pokerstars is like saying some tool for Counter Strike owes you support when Counter Strike 2 comes out. It's a new game. Pokerstars updated their system, it's not the same software anymore. They dont owe shit for support on a product that has been upgraded to the point that it can be considered a sequel to earlier versions.

On May 17 2013 15:20 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2013 15:05 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 17 2013 13:50 Daut wrote:   On May 16 2013 21:50 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks You have lifetime updates for TableNinja you dumb piece of shit. This new product is called TableNinja II, as in 2, as in FUCKING TWO. It's a goddamn sequel. It offers new features and is meant to support the next generation of poker software. You will still receive free updates for TableNinja one, if and when they are released. It's like a lifetime warranty on your LG TV. Does that mean you get every fucking new TV that they design for all eternity? No, it means you get free support on the existing one that you bought at that time asshole. Poker Bonuses FullTiltPoker: free $10 no deposit Pokerstars: free $20 on deposit Pokerstars: $600 bonus Pokerstars: Sell tourney dollars you seem like a terrible human being Dude that was deep, how's the wife n' kids? Look, here's the thing Lets say you buy a new hammer with a "lifetime warranty", but then the industry changes and instead of nails everything moves to staples. Is it fair for the hammer manufacturer to have to create a new hammer for this new kind of hardware? TableNinja works, there is no defect, no bug, nothing wrong with its design. It's the *industry* that changed. PokerStars and all the other sites changed *their* software and thus *made* TableNinja incompatible. This is not TN's fault. This is not the result of a faulty product that requires their support to fix, because it never broke. If the poker sites out there never updated their software then you would have a valid complaint when TN started exhibiting problems. Think of it like this, TN has lifetime support for PokerStars ver. 1.036. Pokerstars recently updated to 1.037. It's a new product, thus no support. im not disputing your point. dont really have an opinion one way or the other on it. just dont like how you got all belligerent unprovoked

lol are you new on the forum Daut? he has been consistently one of the worst personalities on this forum for years

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On May 22 2013 07:11 Rapoza wrote: pretty sure by "lifetime" they meant the product's lifetime, not yours lol

You should get a job at an advertisement company

$20/month and $150/year is a LOT of money, like a LOT for us to be paying them...

I understand that they cannot support all the things they do with just one payment. Yet, their pricing seems very expensive for me. The initial pricing for TN1 was $40 for life, let's say its $40/year and that makes a $3.33 payment per month. That is 6 times less than what TN2 will cost. I don't think TN2 is 6 times better than TN1 to be honest.

I would be ok to pay $5/month but definitely won't be happy about it. Sure they have new features but the way they are handling their prices and even restrictions for TN Pro and Standard (8 tables for table ninja lol) are ridiculous. I won't be getting TN for the current prices. Hell no.

On May 21 2013 19:09 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2013 15:20 Daut wrote:   On May 17 2013 15:05 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 17 2013 13:50 Daut wrote:   On May 16 2013 21:50 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks You have lifetime updates for TableNinja you dumb piece of shit. This new product is called TableNinja II, as in 2, as in FUCKING TWO. It's a goddamn sequel. It offers new features and is meant to support the next generation of poker software. You will still receive free updates for TableNinja one, if and when they are released. It's like a lifetime warranty on your LG TV. Does that mean you get every fucking new TV that they design for all eternity? No, it means you get free support on the existing one that you bought at that time asshole. Poker Bonuses FullTiltPoker: free $10 no deposit Pokerstars: free $20 on deposit Pokerstars: $600 bonus Pokerstars: Sell tourney dollars you seem like a terrible human being Dude that was deep, how's the wife n' kids? Look, here's the thing Lets say you buy a new hammer with a "lifetime warranty", but then the industry changes and instead of nails everything moves to staples. Is it fair for the hammer manufacturer to have to create a new hammer for this new kind of hardware? TableNinja works, there is no defect, no bug, nothing wrong with its design. It's the *industry* that changed. PokerStars and all the other sites changed *their* software and thus *made* TableNinja incompatible. This is not TN's fault. This is not the result of a faulty product that requires their support to fix, because it never broke. If the poker sites out there never updated their software then you would have a valid complaint when TN started exhibiting problems. Think of it like this, TN has lifetime support for PokerStars ver. 1.036. Pokerstars recently updated to 1.037. It's a new product, thus no support. im not disputing your point. dont really have an opinion one way or the other on it. just dont like how you got all belligerent unprovoked lol are you new on the forum Daut? he has been consistently one of the worst personalities on this forum for years

9/11 was not an inside job

I pirate table ninja anyway. Did buy it once but lost code and its so easy to pirate....

Oh and their making it monthy? Awsome should be good for 180 sng games that everyone 30-40 tables

Just play 4 tables you noobs lol

On May 16 2013 22:33 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2013 22:04 Daut wrote: is table ninja that useful? ive never used it or considered it, maybe i should have all these years yes, can't play without

Could you explain, if you don't mind?

Otherwise I'll have to get acquainted with what tableninja actually does