https://www.liquidpoker.net/


LP international Poland    Contact            Users: 439 Active, 1 Logged in - Time: 08:33

NL50 HU 3 hands

New to LiquidPoker? Register here for free!
Forum Index > Hand Discussion
HerroRara   Canada. May 12 2013 04:00. Posts 168

Below there are 3 hands with a question attached to each. Thanks in advance for the advice.

Submitted by : HerroRara

Full Tilt Poker Game #32632773311: Table Nettie (heads up) - NL Hold'em - $0.25/$0.50 - 03:31:36 ET - 2013/05/11
Seat 1: Hero ($54.15)
Seat 2: king2131 ($156.95)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.25
king2131 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to HeroAd3h
Hero raises to $1.50
king2131 calls $1

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3.00)

   2sAs6c
king2131 checks
Hero bets $2.25
king2131 raises to $4.50
Hero calls $2.25

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $12.00)

   2sAs6cAc
king2131 checks
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $7.50
king2131 raises to $22.50
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $15

River (Pot : $57.00)

   2sAs6cAcQh
king2131 has 15 seconds left to act
king2131 bets $25.60
Hero calls $25.60

Showdown
king2131 shows2c2d a full house, Twos full of Aces
Hero mucks
king2131 wins the pot ($107.70) with a full house, Twos full of Aces

Summary
Total pot $108.20 | Rake $0.50
Board:2sAs6cAcQh
Seat 1: Hero (small blind) muckedAd3h - three of a kind, Aces
Seat 2: king2131 (big blind) showed2c2d and won ($107.70) with a full house, Twos full of Aces


Hand #1: If I didn't hit the 2nd ace on the turn, I would've snap check back as I only beat bluffs. Should I bet/call, bet/fold, or check back the turn when I pick up trip A since my hand only improved over 2 pairs and not vs a bigger A or set?

Submitted by : HerroRara

Full Tilt Poker Game #32638293324: Table Advice (heads up) - NL Hold'em - $0.25/$0.50 - 01:55:50 ET - 2013/05/12
Seat 1: Hero ($59.25)
Seat 2: tompizzzh ($48.80)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.25
tompizzzh posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to HeroAsJh
Hero raises to $1.50
tompizzzh calls $1

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3.00)

   2c7dAh
tompizzzh checks
Hero bets $2.25
tompizzzh calls $2.25

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $7.50)

   2c7dAh8c
tompizzzh bets $2.50
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $2.50

River (Pot : $12.50)

   2c7dAh8cTs
tompizzzh checks
Hero bets $7.50
tompizzzh has 15 seconds left to act
tompizzzh calls $7.50

Showdown
Hero showsAsJh a pair of Aces
tompizzzh mucks
Hero wins the pot ($27) with a pair of Aces

Summary
Total pot $27.50 | Rake $0.50
Board:2c7dAh8cTs
Seat 1: Hero (small blind) showedAsJh and won ($27) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: tompizzzh (big blind) mucked4cAc - a pair of Aces


Hand #2: Should I reraise the turn or just call like I did(to protect my stack)? If raise, how big? Am I raise/folding or raise/calling?

Submitted by : HerroRara

Full Tilt Poker Game #32632889792: Table Nettie (heads up) - NL Hold'em - $0.25/$0.50 - 04:17:40 ET - 2013/05/11
Seat 1: Hero ($145.20)
Seat 2: king2131 ($104.25)
king2131 posts the small blind of $0.25
Hero posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2

Holecards
Dealt to HeroTsTc
king2131 raises to $1
Hero raises to $4
king2131 calls $3

Flop (Pot : $8.00)

   5d7d5s
Hero bets $5.50
king2131 calls $5.50

Turn (Pot : $19.00)

   5d7d5s8h
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $13.50
king2131 calls $13.50

River (Pot : $46.00)

   5d7d5s8h7h
Hero checks
king2131 bets $81.25, and is all in
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $81.25 returned to king2131
king2131 mucks
king2131 wins the pot ($45.50)

Summary
Total pot $46 | Rake $0.50
Board:5d7d5s8h7h
Seat 1: Hero (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: king2131 (small blind) collected ($45.50), mucked


Hand #3: This is the type of player that floats me, bets when I show weakness. I have a hard time vs this type of player. Do I have to make big call downs like in this spot when they just go animal when you check? Any advice vs this type of player would be appreciated.

Is this a good spot to trap him and check raise the turn to get it in or is 2 buyins deep too deep for this hand?

Facebook Twitter
People become really quite remarkable when they start thinking they can do things. When they believe in themselves they have the first secret to success --Sydney Dominique(R.I.P., brother)Last edit: 12/05/2013 04:04

PoorUser    United States. May 12 2013 04:56. Posts 7471

this is hu so you should be including actual reads with your hands [baring hand 3 which you sort of did]

1. with a read it can be a snap fold on flop. by default call flop, check turn and call a bet on river. as played - fold turn
2. looks fine
3. looks fine but would call 2/3 pot pretty quickly. again with a good read river can be a call but generally he'll have some kind of show down value [between an 8 turn helping a lot of straight draws to at least have a pair and a double paring river gives ace high flush draws and other poorly played ace high hands show down value] unless he has <44 or like JTdd or other j/q high fd's so foldings probably fine.

Gambler Emeritus 

HerroRara   Canada. May 12 2013 08:26. Posts 168

In general, should bet sizing increase when you are deep? For example, in the TT hand, should I bet larger since I am 200 bbs deep? Or is the texture the only thing that matters?

In the TT hand:

- Is it a good spot to try to trap on the turn with overpairs 99-AA and check/raise since there are a lot of bad rivers or is my hand too vulnerable to risk him checking behind?

- If i had AdKd, in general, how do you decide whether or not to fire the 2nd and/or 3rd barrell(assuming I miss ofcourse)? Should I fire virtually all turns vs all opponents or only vs floaters? What about the river?

People become really quite remarkable when they start thinking they can do things. When they believe in themselves they have the first secret to success --Sydney Dominique(R.I.P., brother) 

mnj   United States. May 12 2013 22:06. Posts 3848


  On May 12 2013 07:26 HerroRara wrote:
In general, should bet sizing increase when you are deep? For example, in the TT hand, should I bet larger since I am 200 bbs deep? Or is the texture the only thing that matters?

In the TT hand:

- Is it a good spot to try to trap on the turn with overpairs 99-AA and check/raise since there are a lot of bad rivers or is my hand too vulnerable to risk him checking behind?

- If i had AdKd, in general, how do you decide whether or not to fire the 2nd and/or 3rd barrell(assuming I miss ofcourse)? Should I fire virtually all turns vs all opponents or only vs floaters? What about the river?



pretty good questions. in general go ahead and bet bigger since you are deep with your value hands. TT is kind of iffy the higher you go but at these stakes should be considered a premium hand.

on this board, at this stake i PERSONALLY think you should always bet and look for value.

however back to your original question, there are arguments against good aggressive players (which you will face 0 at this take) some argument to potentially pot control/check a drawier board. the paired board i think should let you c-bet though much more comfortably.

cliffs:
1) prob should bet bigger when deeper
2) be sizing definitely should take into consideration flop texutre/stack sizes
3) sometimes you should pot control made hands against strong players ESPECIALLY when you are 200 bb deep
4) but probably not at this stake

 Last edit: 12/05/2013 22:09

traxamillion   United States. May 13 2013 09:46. Posts 10468

Pot control was in 2006


HerroRara   Canada. May 13 2013 18:51. Posts 168

I never considered pot controlling the TT. My question was whether it was a good spot to check/raise on the turn vs an aggressive player who will often bet when shown weakness(since there will be a lot of bad rivers that he can get me off my hand/beat my hand like he did here) or if the hand is too vulnerable to risk him checking behind?

Whichever is the best way to play it, would you play 99-AA the same way?

People become really quite remarkable when they start thinking they can do things. When they believe in themselves they have the first secret to success --Sydney Dominique(R.I.P., brother)Last edit: 13/05/2013 18:53

YoMeR   United States. Jun 23 2013 19:15. Posts 12435

since you didn't provide any relevant reads I'll comment on hands as if we are playing unknown who just sat down.

#1 is def flat and reeval turn..we have position might as well use it in this spot...On the turn vs unknown i think it's very standard check...the A doesn't really change the strength of our hand vs what he's repping...it's likely made his value range just as strong as well, therefore we are still behind. if we do opt to bet turn we should 100% snap fold to a raise vs unknown...not very many people would take a bluffing line like this..I would go far as to say you would never encounter a player that takes a bluffing line like this throughout your poker career. (of course there's always exceptions in poker) If you react to check/raises like this as a standard you might want to plug this leak...also mind the fact that you basically negated your positional advantage in the hand because you just acted without a plan.

#2 Looks GTO to me...perfectly played ABC poker hand WP..if we want to scrutinize the nitty gritty then maybe size your river around ~8.50 or more...will shower higher profits long term this way.

#3 This hand is def impossible to really comment on vs unknown...this hand really looks like you guys had some kinda dynamic and history that you did not provide...obviously from an ABC poker standpoint your line is 100% standard and river is a snap fold. But I can also easily see villain just raping the pot from you here too WHO KNOWS?

I actually really like your bet/bet/check line. I would do that on most rivers actually I think vs more aggressive opponents that line can yield higher profits

eZ Life. 

mnj   United States. Jul 03 2013 23:08. Posts 3848

since u revived this thread, when i was re-reading OP hand 1 analysis, i want to say that your analysis should be the same whether or not you hit or not hit your A due to relative hand strengths. relatively you pretty much beat the same range and lose to the same range, whereas if you hit two pair you would actually beat more hands


BFM48   Canada. Aug 23 2013 02:50. Posts 16

1st hand the turn is a bet fold. The line villan took is looking way too strong and I don't see what calling with trips here is achieving unless we know villan is capable of making big bluffs like this
2nd hand I think is played fine
3rd hand I'd prefer a bet on the river and fold to jam unless you know villan is capable of stabbing these boards with air


 



Poker Streams

















Copyright © 2024. LiquidPoker.net All Rights Reserved
Contact Advertise Sitemap