PuertoRican United States. Mar 11 2013 17:53. Posts 13257
Date: Saturday, March 16th
Preliminary Card (Facebook): 17:35 LP.net / 3:35pm PST / 6:35pm EST Facebook stream
Preliminary Card (FX): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card Time (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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- A rematch between Alessio Sakara and Patrick Cote, from UFC 154, was briefly linked to this event. However, Sakara was forced out of the bout due to renal stress.
- Sean Pierson was expected to face Rick Story at the event. However, Pierson pulled out of the bout citing an injury and was replaced by Quinn Mulhern.
- Rory MacDonald was originally scheduled to face Carlos Condit in a rematch. However, on February 18, it was announced that MacDonald pulled out of the bout citing a neck injury. Condit will now face Johny Hendricks, who was pulled from his bout with Jake Ellenberger. Ellenberger will now face returning veteran Nate Marquardt.
- Mitch Gagnon was expected to face Issei Tamura at the event. However, Gagnon was forced out of the bout with an injury and was replaced by T.J. Dillashaw.
- Johnny Eduardo was expected to face Yves Jabouin at the event. However, on March 6, Eduardo was forced to pull out of the bout citing a shoulder injury. Jabouin was then pulled from the card as a suitable replacement could not be found on short notice.
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 11 2013 18:02. Posts 13257
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Gun to the head picks
• GSP > Diaz (I have GSP in some parlays, but will be betting Diaz straight up and also some props for Diaz to finish ITD or by submission.)
• Condit > Hendricks (Already have a few bets on Condit.)
• Marquardt > Ellenberger (Already have a few bets on Marquardt.)
• Camozzi > Ring (We only need to worry about the Canadian judges, Ring has been gifted 3 decision wins by them in the past.)
• Ricci > Fletcher (Ricci is the better skilled fighter, but his line is WAY too high and I'll be betting Fletcher after Ricci's line climbs more.)
• Voelker > Cote (Cote has some new sick-in shape body that we have seen in recent videos, but having a nice body won't change the fact that he sucks ass and Voelker is a grinder and keeps coming forward.)
• Elkins > Carvalho
• Mein > Miller
• Makdessi > Cruickshank
• Story vs. Mulhern (Undecided atm)
• Dillashaw > Tamura
• Roop > Duran
On March 11 2013 23:09 JonnyCosMo wrote:
GSP > Diaz. Although I really hope Diaz wins.
Hendricks > Condit. This is an absolute nightmare match-up for Condit. So much value in betting Hendricks imo.
Marquardt > Ellenberger. I just don't think Ellenberger is that good. It's pretty much a coinflip so bet the underdog imo :-
I said im going to listen to Cosmo, sportsbook roll on a Hendricks & GSP parlay.
Poker chobo.
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 12 2013 00:48. Posts 13257
On March 11 2013 23:09 JonnyCosMo wrote:
#1 GSP > Diaz. Although I really hope Diaz wins.
#2 Hendricks > Condit. This is an absolute nightmare match-up for Condit. So much value in betting Hendricks imo.
#3 Marquardt > Ellenberger. I just don't think Ellenberger is that good. It's pretty much a coinflip so bet the underdog imo :-
I agree with #1.
I don't agree with #2.
I agree with #3.
To follow up on #2: The comment you made is actually the opposite of what me and most others are saying, even all or almost all MMA media outlets. Condit is Hendricks nightmare match up, in that Condit has the height, reach, striking, and BJJ advantage, and he's shown us he can go 3+ rounds with no problem.
You might think, well, Hendricks just needs to touch Condit once on the chin and also is a great wrestler. It's true that Hendricks has that 1 punch KO power, but when does he ever use his wrestling in his fights? He even said in a response to Nick Diaz last week when Diaz said that people just want to take you down nowadays and hold you there to get the win without doing anything, Hendricks replied with, "when do you ever see me using wrestling in any of my matches, etc. I'm not afraid to stand."
I had zero problems taking Condit at +125 when the line was released, as I see him having more tools to win this fight.
I really want nick diaz to win.
Nick always brings it ! He doesnt care who you are he just walks into your face and starts a war.
I love him !
But i just think it cant happen.
George will get some points by lowkicking a bit and then takedown and wrestlefuck Diaz
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
I think GSP's BJJ and top control are too good to let Nick sub him from the bottom. If Nick can bait him in to brawling then he could rock him and finish with a sub though.
Dude you some social darwinist ideas that they are giving hitlers ghost a boner - Baal
On March 11 2013 23:09 JonnyCosMo wrote:
#1 GSP > Diaz. Although I really hope Diaz wins.
#2 Hendricks > Condit. This is an absolute nightmare match-up for Condit. So much value in betting Hendricks imo.
#3 Marquardt > Ellenberger. I just don't think Ellenberger is that good. It's pretty much a coinflip so bet the underdog imo :-
I agree with #1.
I don't agree with #2.
I agree with #3.
To follow up on #2: The comment you made is actually the opposite of what me and most others are saying, even all or almost all MMA media outlets. Condit is Hendricks nightmare match up, in that Condit has the height, reach, striking, and BJJ advantage, and he's shown us he can go 3+ rounds with no problem.
You might think, well, Hendricks just needs to touch Condit once on the chin and also is a great wrestler. It's true that Hendricks has that 1 punch KO power, but when does he ever use his wrestling in his fights? He even said in a response to Nick Diaz last week when Diaz said that people just want to take you down nowadays and hold you there to get the win without doing anything, Hendricks replied with, "when do you ever see me using wrestling in any of my matches, etc. I'm not afraid to stand."
I had zero problems taking Condit at +125 when the line was released, as I see him having more tools to win this fight.
Yes, Condit does have the striking and reach advantage. The problem is his TDD is just sooo fucking bad. Like inexcusably bad. And with the fight only being 3 rounds, this is not something that he will be able to come back from once he drops 2 rounds due to the takedowns he's given away. Maybe I'd like Condit in a 5 round fight? Yea Hendricks doesn't use his wrestling much, mainly because he really hasn't needed to. His hardest fight to date was vs Koscheck where they basically nullified each others wrestling. I feel like he definitely was going to use his wrestling vs Kampmann but KO'd him before they got to that part. Hendricks hasn't really faced enough adversity on the feet to force him to use his wrestling.
There is just a very obvious blueprint already out on how to beat Carlos Condit. GSP did it for 5 rounds, Rory was on his way to doing it before he got caught. Ellenberger didn't do it enough. Dong-Hyun Kim didn't get a chance to do it. Hendricks is very capable of using this wrestling heavy strategy to get the W. So what if we haven't seen it from him yet. It's just such a clear way to victory for him, it'd be retarded for him not to use it.
That's kind of why I don't want to bet Diaz here. There seems to be a blueprint on how to beat the Diaz bros, involving heavy dose of leg kicks and wrestling combo. GSP is too smart to overlook this. This will be an easy fight for him, unless he gets caught.
Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser
Diaz is a better boxer than GSP
GSP is better in everything else....
Only chance for Diaz would be if GSP decides to box him.....
But GSP is one of the smartest and most focused fighters out there.
He will never start a boxing match vs Diaz
And Diaz wont submit him from the bottom
GSPs Top game is so much preassure .... Nick wont be able to do shit from the bottom
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
On March 12 2013 14:59 PplusAD wrote:
Diaz is a better boxer than GSP
I respectfully disagree with that. GSP has much better movement, takes angles, and sets things up better. Nick just plods forward and throws a zillion punches. Nick is a better brawler and if GSP lets him bang then Nick would win, but GSP won't let him bang. GSP could dance around and outpoint him all night.
Dude you some social darwinist ideas that they are giving hitlers ghost a boner - Baal
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iakim322 United States. Mar 12 2013 17:27. Posts 1335
On March 12 2013 14:59 PplusAD wrote:
Diaz is a better boxer than GSP
I respectfully disagree with that. GSP has much better movement, takes angles, and sets things up better. Nick just plods forward and throws a zillion punches. Nick is a better brawler and if GSP lets him bang then Nick would win, but GSP won't let him bang. GSP could dance around and outpoint him all night.
I think you've got no clue what good boxing is if you think Nick just plods forward and throws a zillion random punches. He takes angles that others don't, punches consistently to the body which MMA fighters so rarely do, and uses times to throw half strength but accurate punches so he doesn't leave himself open. What he is weak at standing up is, in boxing terms, closing off the ring/octagon to those who strike and move away....as Condit displayed vs Nick. He's actually pretty terrible at it I think. GSP's boxing has improved but it's still just mostly based off just jabbing then using his superior athleticism to move away after or change levels to get the takedown. So basically, Nick's boxing is definitely better...usually his cardio is an advantage but GSP is so greatly conditioned that probably won't be an advantage...which leaves just his jiu jitsu after boxing...but I think GSP's athleticism and wrestling smarts are going to be too much for Nick to threaten GSP off his back with submissions. I'm a big Diaz homer but I don't even think he has a 1 in 4 shot as the odds dictate right now if GSP just plays it safe and boring every round. If GSP for some reason goes nuts and stands with Nick for the whole fight or goes reckless trying to finish ground and pound on the ground leaving himself open for an arm bar or something, then....I'd be pretty happy, as I will be making a little fat homer bet on Nick hoping he shows up in his best performance or GSP gets reckless.
As for Condit vs Hendricks, I don't really buy Hendricks being such a terrible matchup for Condit but maybe I just don't know. Maybe I haven't seen enough of Hendricks besides his KO's. Kampmann, as good and resilient as he is, gets clocked hard like every f'in fight so that really wasn't a surprise as some may have thought. I'm of the opinion that Condit can play a distance game with his kicks and pull out a decision especially over just 3 rounds}
On March 12 2013 15:22 SleepyHead wrote:
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Nick just plods forward and throws a zillion punches. ...
haha if that was true than Wing Tzun or how that shit is written would actually work in a fight
There is a lot more to Nicks punches than just high frequency.
Its mostly high frequency combined with very odd timings of body -> head -> body (and also his strikes in generel are slightly off- of what you would expect) and very confusing accentuation of punches. (like hard , soft ,soft, hard hard, soft soft soft hard etc... )
Its difficult to see and i am not sure if i can explain right.
Its just very very difficult to deal with Nicks striking in an open brawl since its very slightly off to everything you expect as a figher.
You somehow get hit when u think u block the punch and cant figure out why + some of the punches hurt more than they should and some of the punches that you think will hurt barely touch etc ...
Thats why most fighters cant handle Diaz boxing at all.
They are like wtf is this shit i cant figure out what he is doing ???
Even some of the best MMA strikers like Paul Daley or BJ Penn coudn't do shit with how Diaz throws his strikes since they cant figure out what exactly and why things hit them + what and when and why the get hit the next few seconds.
Nick definitely is an artist in that kind of area and nobody in MMA except for Anderson Silva (Anderson has nicks boxing + much better footwork and kicks) is on his level concerning this
Georges Boxing style is totally different though.
GSP throws stiff jabs from far away while moving in and out fast and good . He is creating lots of angles due to heavy use of footwork.
Thats more like how you would learn ABC boxing at a MMA school nowadays.
George is very good at Abc Striking.
Diaz Boxing is nothing like ABC
So i admit its difficult to compare.
In my own opinion Diaz is the better boxer allthough he doesnt do any abc striking
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
On March 12 2013 15:22 SleepyHead wrote:
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Nick just plods forward and throws a zillion punches. ...
haha if that was true than Wing Tzun or how that shit is written would actually work in a fight
There is a lot more to Nicks punches than just high frequency.
Its mostly high frequency combined with very odd timings of body -> head -> body (and also his strikes in generel are slightly off- of what you would expect) and very confusing accentuation of punches. (like hard , soft ,soft, hard hard, soft soft soft hard etc... )
Its difficult to see and i am not sure if i can explain right.
Its just very very difficult to deal with Nicks striking in an open brawl since its very slightly off to everything you expect as a figher.
You somehow get hit when u think u block the punch and cant figure out why + some of the punches hurt more than they should and some of the punches that you think will hurt barely touch etc ...
Thats why most fighters cant handle Diaz boxing at all.
They are like wtf is this shit i cant figure out what he is doing ???
Even some of the best MMA strikers like Paul Daley or BJ Penn coudn't do shit with how Diaz throws his strikes since they cant figure out what exactly and why things hit them + what and when and why the get hit the next few seconds.
Nick definitely is an artist in that kind of area and nobody in MMA except for Anderson Silva (Anderson has nicks boxing + much better footwork and kicks) is on his level concerning this
Georges Boxing style is totally different though.
GSP throws stiff jabs from far away while moving in and out fast and good . He is creating lots of angles due to heavy use of footwork.
Thats more like how you would learn ABC boxing at a MMA school nowadays.
George is very good at Abc Striking.
Diaz Boxing is nothing like ABC
So i admit its difficult to compare.
In my own opinion Diaz is the better boxer allthough he doesnt do any abc striking
Ok well I can't agrue with that
Dude you some social darwinist ideas that they are giving hitlers ghost a boner - Baal
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 12 2013 18:41. Posts 13257
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